I don't need to "try".  Fact is we have a global economy and manufacturers will locate where labor, taxes, infrastructure, and political climate are most favorable.  It is unfortunate that the economic development component currently driving U.S. competitiveness is low wages.  I, and many competent economists, contend that a better way to do it would be lower corporate taxes.  We have the highest in the developed world.  More manufacturers = more jobs = competition for workers = higher pay.  You would think this is a pretty simple concept to grasp.

Let's make no mistake, unions didn't do this by themselves.  The corporations were taking out so much cash so fast after de-regulation (elimination of laws) that they figured just paying off the unions would be a safe bet, which it was for a couple of decades.  Well eventually the bill came due and both sides we paid for their greed.  Don't forget that every contract needs two signers and both sides bear culpability in this case, GM is as responsible as the UAW; but in the end the US Gov't. brokered and approved those deals and left the tax payer to pick up the tab.

These days we off-shore our unsafe and/or ecological disastrous operations to countries with deeper corruption than we can even imagine, we form trade unions with them to eliminate barriers which would prevent such activities and call it a "global economy".  Global is true, they are fucking us voting chumps on a global scale now, in every location, not just here in the good old USA.  In the end we all got fucked and the only ones to profit were the politicians and lawyers, both sides of the aisle.

Phreddy I'm just not old enough or dead enough to let this shit go by, these guys are happily fucking us with the benevolent intent of getting rich at our expense.  Open your eyes bitch, the game is bigger than you think and the money in motion makes even my head spin.

Em wrote:

Open your eyes bitch, the game is bigger than you think and the money in motion makes even my head spin.

Once you come to the realization that everyone does everything for their own benefit, it ceases to be an outrage that people are maneuvering to stuff their pockets at your expense.  You simply must come up with your own strategy.  The last thing you want to do is place your bets on some benevolent government bullshit, like "Hope and Change" or "A Chicken in every Pot".  The ONLY economic strategies that work must benefit those who participate in them.  So long as they still have choices, no law, threat or promise is going to make corporations or individuals take less money for their goods and services unless it makes economic sense.  Period.

phreddy wrote:

Once you come to the realization that everyone does everything for their own benefit, it ceases to be an outrage that people are maneuvering to stuff their pockets at your expense.

Also let me throw one quick quote your way:   "We the people..."; Learn it, Love it and Live it.  I did, put my life on the line and claim a strong hold on being exactly what I say I am.

Semper Fi mother fucker



Semper Fi

Emmeran wrote:

phreddy wrote:

Once you come to the realization that everyone does everything for their own benefit, it ceases to be an outrage that people are maneuvering to stuff their pockets at your expense.

Also let me throw one quick quote your way:   "We the people..."; Learn it, Love it and Live it.  I did, put my life on the line and claim a strong hold on being exactly what I say I am.

Semper Fi mother fucker



Semper Fi

Emmeran wrote:

Also let me throw one quick quote your way:   "We the people..."; Learn it, Love it and Live it.  I did, put my life on the line and claim a strong hold on being exactly what I say I am.

Semper Fi mother fucker



Semper Fi

De Oppresso Liber

and ditto

XregnaR wrote:

Ooooooh, Latin - Off!!!

I'll play-

Sua Sponte

This sounds correct.

Phreddy has a point on corporate taxes, although there are many other, more significant reasons for the flight of manufacturing from the US.  After all, that trend started long ago and has reversed direction since 2010.  Partisans might think Obama should take credit for that but it likely resulted more from after-effects of the recent great recession. 

If we had more rational politics, a bargain could be struck sharply cutting corporate tax rates while making parallel changes to eliminate tax expenditures and raising top marginal rates on the highest income brackets.  The net should increase overall revenue, helping to address out-year deficits.  I suspect it could be done if the republicans were no so frozen by their internecine battles.  Of course, the democrats are perfectly capable of screwing up a bargain on their own.  But then again, as RT would say, BLAH BLAH BLAH  . . . .

XregnaR wrote:

Ooooooh, Latin - Off!!!

I'll play-

Sua Sponte

Mala Malis Facimus

In Vino Veritas

Quid Futuis

Nam venenatis ultrices nulla ossa

XregnaR wrote:

Tall Paul wrote:

Nam venenatis ultrices nulla ossa

neque virgam tuam

I'll get my staff onto a better translation.

Quid Futuis Phreddy, Quid Futuis

I had a couple years of Latin while attending a boarding school for incorrigible boys.  I learned more about Roman history in those classes than all my history courses combined.

Tall Paul wrote:

Getting closer: Quia ipsi in venenatis ultrices nulla fuit ossium

I too had several years of Latin. The biggest effect it had on my life was to make me piss my pants laughing while watching Life Of Brian in a crowded theater.