phreddy wrote:

Obama is an idiot..he's ignorant, or both.

Fairly put, but as he is spending his days competing for the Presidency of the United States, and you are spending your days posting on this absurd website...what, pray tell, does that make you? 



And should he manage to win this election, that accomplistment will make him arguably the most successful man in the world - a true rags to riches story. 

Now it hardly seems proper for you to be calling him silly names, does it?

phreddy wrote:

Emmeran wrote:

And should he manage to win this election, that accomplistment will make him arguably the most successful man in the world - a true rags to riches story. 

Now it hardly seems proper for you to be calling him silly names, does it?

I'm sure they said the same thing about Hitler, Stalin, and Richard Nixon.  Rags to riches stories don't always deserve admiration.

Yes, we should save out admiration for those who ride their father's coat-tails to the presidency, then bungle the job, miserably.  I see your point.

Oh, and at least Richard Nixon opened the door to trade with China so you can enjoy your Wal-Mart purchases.  Bush can't even lay claim to one redeeming accomplishment that will be looked upon favorably in the historic record.

Dmtdust wrote:

Bush has one accomplishment.  He got's da Rimming Award from one of his ardent fans...

You know what really is idiotic?  Bitching about what a guy who MIGHT be President MIGHT do, while failing to acknowledge the multitudinous fuck-ups of the current President, who unfortunately CAN continue to do a lot of damage between now and January 20, 2009. 

Someone should kill this topic, or send it to Drudge where pointless exercises in mental masturbation are welcomed.

phreddy wrote:

factcheck.org wrote:

Federal taxes are a flat 18.4 cents per gallon of regular gasoline, no matter the price at the pump. State taxes range anywhere from 7.5 cents to 34 cents per gallon, according to the Federal Highway Administration. And on top of that, the oil industry points to additional taxes and fees, such as sales taxes and inspection and environmental fees, that drive up the state-local fees to as much as 45.5 cents per gallon (in California).

And even these figures don’t account for income taxes that the companies pay on their profits. Those taxes would drive the tax total higher yet, but we know of no authoritative source that has attempted to break down how much income tax should be allocated to each gallon of gasoline

My assertion still stands, in doing comparrisons you need to seperate the sales tax, which apply to all goods, from the flat excise and other fees. My figures came from the API and the CA state energy site. Most states have much higher excise taxes then CA's $0.18/g although many have lower sales taxes and some have excise and other fees on a percentage rather than flat basis tied to a price indexed sliding scale. And CA hasn't changed the fees since 1994

And while I abhor the practice of shifting the burden of taxation to fees for evreything under the sun I do not see what in the world making some calculation based on income has anything to do with the taxes on gas. All proceeds from business activity is taxed, do we subtract the stockcheckers income tax deductions to figuring the amount of tax on a bottle of liquid plumber? Heck we would have to make sure we add the $18 billion a year in subsidies to the oil companies into that equation.

Last edited by Johnny_Rotten (2008-06-10 20:20:58)

It's funny how all of the "not racist" folks are so bothered by Obama.  Tons of concern that we don't know enough about him, we just can't find anything that he, himself, has done wrong.  But something about him just unsettles them a tad...

Of course this is counter-balanced by the mountains of facts of John McCain's transgressions, crowned by the achievment of having a staring role in ripping of trillions of dollars from the taxpayers during the S&L Scandal.  Now I know he was able to dodge the worst of the blame, and his lobbyist friends provided ample of cover to duck and run (right into her open loins), and he only flip-flops on his political view points on days that end in "Y".  None of these things seem to matter to his blind supporters . . . the fact that he's republican is all they need to know.

Honestly, Obama is too liberal for my tastes - but the elephant fuckers failed to offer a decent alternative so my independent ass will have to go with the donkey fuckers this time around.