Aren't we already? I mean, everyone keeps saying, "yeah, Obama's really gonna put us in the shitter" and I'm thinking, uhm, we're there now. It's not like things were great under Bush and uh oh, here comes trouble....Things teetered....and fell off the precipice already. We may continue at this rate, but short of a dust bowl migration I don't see how Obama could fuck it up any more than is already in place.

Scotty.  Wake up to the reality around you, not the fantasy within.  Figure that out, take 2 aspirin and repost in the morning.

Ta Ta.

Scotty, my business makes enough to feel the impact of this...and I'm still for Obama.

As a matter of fact, the worse the economy gets, the better my business does.

Breathe.

It will be okay.

Emmeran wrote:

We haven't fealt the economic pinch yet, wait til spring.

You haven't, We have.

It wouldn't be bad if most people thought others were paying a fair share.  Bitching that people who make more than you should pay more brings to mind a bucket full of rats.  Rather than be happy that some of the rats are making it out the top you're trying to pull them back.  All while saying it's not that much extra to "them."

No matter your political leanings or the current administration, always keep a conservative face toward the client.

Bigcat wrote:

sofaking wrote:

Scotty, my business makes enough to feel the impact of this...and I'm still for Obama.

As a matter of fact, the worse the economy gets, the better my business does.

Breathe.

It will be okay.

Mine does too. It's not that big of a deal really. The money has to come from somewhere. 10 billion a month in Iraq doesn't grow on trees. It's not like if you have a successful business they come and take all your money and posessions, you just have to pay a little more quarterly, It really won't amount to a helluvalot.

That's exactly what my sentiment was. It's not like we're literally going to the poorhouse.

The well-off should pay higher taxes. And if the taxation rates for one's business prevent one from hiring enough workers or investing the needed amount of capital into their venture, maybe the profitability isn't adequate to sustain it a a going concern. A viable business can afford to pay its taxes.

Either way, I think a climate of hope will ultimately be better for business and the international relations that help to generate international business (which believe it or not boosts our economy, too).

Emmeran wrote:

hedgewizard wrote:

It wouldn't be bad if most people thought others were paying a fair share.  Bitching that people who make more than you should pay more brings to mind a bucket full of rats.  Rather than be happy that some of the rats are making it out the top you're trying to pull them back.  All while saying it's not that much extra to "them."

Most people pay their fair share, I'm still waiting to see this 40% that doesn't pay any taxes.  All of the people I know that earn an income pay as specified by law - so that 40% is most likely the drug dealers and those rich enough to afford a good tax lawyer.

If not please tell us who they are and we'll go straighten them out - it IS patriotic to pay your taxes afterall.

I didn't say most people aren't paying.  I said most people seem to think others aren't paying their fair share.  If the system was simpler there would be less of that.  If we need to pay more we should all pay more, not try to shift things onto someone else.  If we don't need to pay as much we should all get a break, not just part of us.  Patriotic or not it's enlightened self interest, mostly.

hedgewizard wrote:

I didn't say most people aren't paying.  I said most people seem to think others aren't paying their fair share.  If the system was simpler there would be less of that.  If we need to pay more we should all pay more, not try to shift things onto someone else.  If we don't need to pay as much we should all get a break, not just part of us.  Patriotic or not it's enlightened self interest, mostly.

So you are arguing that Obama's plan was far superior to McCain's?

WilberCuntLicker wrote:

hedgewizard wrote:

It wouldn't be bad if most people thought others were paying a fair share.  Bitching that people who make more than you should pay more brings to mind a bucket full of rats.  Rather than be happy that some of the rats are making it out the top you're trying to pull them back.  All while saying it's not that much extra to "them."

That's an extremely crappy analogy. I take it thinking isn't your strong suit.
If you have to have some shitty story involving rats, try this.
The rats are starving in the bucket, and there's nowhere else to go. Rather than be happy that some rats have all the cheese, the hungry rats are bitching, and demanding that the cheese be shared. Go figger. Soon all the rats will die, anyways, since rats have a tendency to kill each other when forced together into buckets.
Now fuck off, you dimwit.

I would have to subscribe to Wilber's analogy. It seems to be pretty much dead on.

headkicker_girl wrote:

The plutocracy has always had a way of making the peasants buy into their own plight.