President Obama's welcome to the real world.  We need to send a strongly worded protest.  And if that doesn't work we'll pull out the big guns and send in an army of prosecuting attorneys to issue indictments against these criminal elements.

phreddy wrote:

President Obama's welcome to the real world.  We need to send a strongly worded protest.  And if that doesn't work we'll pull out the big guns and send in an army of prosecuting attorneys to issue indictments against these criminal elements.

Okay, then, what would you do?

We have propped them up for decades, and like Israel they piss on our shoes repeatedly.  I say we no longer deal with monotheist.  Bad business that.

phreddy wrote:

ah297900 wrote:

phreddy wrote:

President Obama's welcome to the real world.  We need to send a strongly worded protest.  And if that doesn't work we'll pull out the big guns and send in an army of prosecuting attorneys to issue indictments against these criminal elements.

Okay, then, what would you do?

First, I would send an envoy with a free pass out of the country to the political and military leadership, on one condition.  The would need to bring all the nukes with them.

With you so far, provided the leadership will bite. But aren't you worried that giving the country over to the insurgents will just encourage insurgencies elsewhere?

Next, Afganistan II.

You do realize that Pakistan has 172,000,000 people in it, right? Afghanistan only has about 32 million. Then, how do you keep those 172 million people, whose government we just removed, leaving the state in chaos, from swearing a blood oath to kill Americans?

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We have facilitated this by propping up one dictatorship after another.  Soon, we'll see Somalia appearing world wide, but this time, with a mission besides imploding. You can bet that India will be bearing the brunt of this among others, in due time.

Meanwhile, Driving in Iraq...


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We are reaping the rewards of interfering in the natural order.  Mud babies have a very low survival rate unless Whites go in and provide clean water, sanitation services, fertilizers, improved crop seeds and medical assistance in mud countries along with food aid.  No good deed goes unpunished when dealing with Mud People and the punishment from this group of Muds will be epic because they and the Muds next door have nukes.

ah297900 wrote:

phreddy wrote:

Nothing would be finer than to watch them fall back into the dark ages.

Why would that be enjoyable?

Sorry, I thought that was obvious.  The Taliban are brutal, backward, and ignorant.  They bully, beat and kill those who will not bow down to their prophet.  It just seems to me they are well fit for the dark ages.

ah297900 wrote:

fnord wrote:

We are reaping the rewards of interfering in the natural order.  Mud babies have a very low survival rate unless Whites go in and provide clean water, sanitation services, fertilizers, improved crop seeds and medical assistance in mud countries along with food aid.  No good deed goes unpunished when dealing with Mud People and the punishment from this group of Muds will be epic because they and the Muds next door have nukes.

Except for the nukes part, that's exactly how the Romans viewed the Britons. heh.

Assuming you are correct that the Romans felt that way, they would have been right for their time.  I’m aware that White babies suffered a high mortality rate in the past.  This favored the more intelligent Whites and lead to the slow but steady improvement of the White population.  We do the Mud Races no favors when we enable their less evolved members to proliferate and swamp the local gene pools with their less desirable genes.

phreddy wrote:

Fled wrote:

The latter seems a little reckless to me, although I have little confidence that we can keep a lid on things there.  It is too big, too remote, to uncontrollable. . . .

I think it only appears to be too big to grapple.  It's just a matter of will and persistence, both of which are sorely lacking in America today.  Back before the news media manipulated public opinion regarding wars, we were able to stay with a battle plan for more than one election cycle.

I'm assuming you're referring to the Hearst-inspired war of 1898?

Taint wrote:

phreddy wrote:

Fled wrote:

The latter seems a little reckless to me, although I have little confidence that we can keep a lid on things there.  It is too big, too remote, to uncontrollable. . . .

I think it only appears to be too big to grapple.  It's just a matter of will and persistence, both of which are sorely lacking in America today.  Back before the news media manipulated public opinion regarding wars, we were able to stay with a battle plan for more than one election cycle.

I'm assuming you're referring to the Hearst-inspired war of 1898?

Yes, yellow journalism has been around since the printing press and before.  But, I'm not talking about the press's role starting wars, but rather the public's ability to finish them.

phreddy wrote:

Fled wrote:

The latter seems a little reckless to me, although I have little confidence that we can keep a lid on things there.  It is too big, too remote, to uncontrollable. . . .

I think it only appears to be too big to grapple.  It's just a matter of will and persistence, both of which are sorely lacking in America today.  Back before the news media manipulated public opinion regarding wars, we were able to stay with a battle plan for more than one election cycle.

The media's manipulation is not the only reason people don't like wars. Besides, how do you know that it's me who's been manipulated into not liking wars, and not you who's been manipulated into liking them?

ah297900 wrote:

phreddy wrote:

ah297900 wrote:

Why would that be enjoyable?

Sorry, I thought that was obvious.  The Taliban are brutal, backward, and ignorant.  They bully, beat and kill those who will not bow down to their prophet.  It just seems to me they are well fit for the dark ages.

Again, I'm not clear on what's fun about watching the taliban bully, beat and kill a new group of people.

Well, you can't have it both ways Ah.  Either you go in and rescue them as I originally suggested (Afganistan II), to which you objected, or you watch them collapse back into the Dark Ages.

A war was won? Why didn't anyone tell me?

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phreddy wrote:

Fled wrote:

The latter seems a little reckless to me, although I have little confidence that we can keep a lid on things there.  It is too big, too remote, to uncontrollable. . . .

I think it only appears to be too big to grapple.  It's just a matter of will and persistence, both of which are sorely lacking in America today.  Back before the news media manipulated public opinion regarding wars, we were able to stay with a battle plan for more than one election cycle.

That's where you are wrong, because your opinions flow from unrealism.  In the real world, controlling Pakistan and Afghanistan with ground troops (or otherwise) is beyond our long term capabilities.

Fled wrote:

Either prop the bastards in power up and try to make them better to the extent we can, or else we just keep our fingers crossed and hope that nothing bad results.

That second option worked out so well for us in Afghanistan after the Soviets pulled out.

Dusty wrote:

A Democrat?

A little known fact of history, even Democrats had balls back then.

phreddy wrote:

Ah wrote:

The media's manipulation is not the only reason people don't like wars. Besides, how do you know that it's me who's been manipulated into not liking wars, and not you who's been manipulated into liking them?

Really?  Exactly what have you learned about Iraq and Afganistan that wasn't filtered through the media?  The American public gets 100% of its war news throught the media, so where else would they get the notion that we should get out?

Where do you get your news that paints a completely different picture?

And as a theoretical question, Iraq aside, under what circumstances would you think it's time to end a war? When, for you, does the cost of staying outweigh the cost of leaving?

phreddy wrote:

Well, you can't have it both ways Ah.  Either you go in and rescue them as I originally suggested (Afganistan II), to which you objected, or you watch them collapse back into the Dark Ages.

You removed your original quote from the last message. Here it is:

phreddy wrote:

Nothing would be finer than to watch them fall back into the dark ages.

Again, what would be enjoyable about watching a country collapse into chaos?

ah297900 wrote:

phreddy wrote:

Well, you can't have it both ways Ah.  Either you go in and rescue them as I originally suggested (Afganistan II), to which you objected, or you watch them collapse back into the Dark Ages.

You removed your original quote from the last message. Here it is:

phreddy wrote:

Nothing would be finer than to watch them fall back into the dark ages.

Again, what would be enjoyable about watching a country collapse into chaos?

It would be enjoyable because he's not anti-Taliban, he's just plain old racist.

Goddammt, just when I come to HS to find midget-scat-porn and cute kitty pics, you guys break into global political science debates. Be careful, I almost learned something here.

Fled wrote:

What?  That you cannot fuck somebody into submission?  But doesn't that fly in the face of experience?  While we're at it, what's wrong with this picture?

Dunno. Is it a trap?

ah297900 wrote:

Fled wrote:

What?  That you cannot fuck somebody into submission?  But doesn't that fly in the face of experience?  While we're at it, what's wrong with this picture?

Dunno. Is it a trap?

I'm going to go with the high-heels on the stairmaster

Dirckman wrote:

The problem the liberals here have is they view all cultures as being equal.  Our culture is far from perfect, but for the most part our Western culture is as progressive as it gets.  We don't force women to cover themselves head to foot, our government is not based on religion and we can still respect the rights of the individual. When it comes to science and industry the West has created the modern world.  The East gave us algebra and optics before Islam took over, but it's been a long time since they've been nothing but a shit stain on history.  I know O+ will attempt to paint them as being intelligent and rational people who are victims of our stupidity, but the world no longer needs the stone age mentality that these people bring to the table.  Their culture is not equal and needs wiped off the face of the planet.

I say we drop Dirkman over Pakistan... in a classic '56 Corvette.