#1 2020-07-09 16:03:42

The Lakota must be salivating at this precedent.

Last edited by Emmeran (2020-07-09 16:12:51)

Offline

 

#2 2020-07-09 16:55:54

About time. You shouldn't write treaties if you don't abide by them.

Offline

 

#3 2020-07-09 19:27:03

Most people don't realize but most of the Dakota's were deeded to the Lakota tribe, including the Black Hills and the Bakken.

Offline

 

#4 2020-07-13 17:39:08

Does that mean we can kick the Seminole's out of Florida? They make a big deal about being the only red indians that never signed a treaty with the USA. No treaty: no treaty lands.

Offline

 

#5 2020-07-13 19:04:03

GooberMcNutly wrote:

Does that mean we can kick the Seminole's out of Florida? They make a big deal about being the only red indians that never signed a treaty with the USA. No treaty: no treaty lands.

The Seminole Tribe is about the only good thing in Florida.

Offline

 

#6 2020-07-14 07:46:39

Baywolfe wrote:

GooberMcNutly wrote:

Does that mean we can kick the Seminole's out of Florida? They make a big deal about being the only red indians that never signed a treaty with the USA. No treaty: no treaty lands.

The Seminole Tribe is about the only good thing in Florida.

Different tribes

Offline

 

#7 2020-07-14 17:12:04

Emmeran wrote:

Baywolfe wrote:

GooberMcNutly wrote:

Does that mean we can kick the Seminole's out of Florida? They make a big deal about being the only red indians that never signed a treaty with the USA. No treaty: no treaty lands.

The Seminole Tribe is about the only good thing in Florida.

Different tribes

Of course, but the Seminoles originated in Georgia, but when Ol' Hickory told them to pack up and join the Trail of Tears they just fucked off to the swamp and said "Come get us". So they are neither native to Florida nor have any treaty lands identified with the USA.

Selective application of the law is no better one way than the other.

Offline

 

#8 2020-07-14 22:56:14

Once upon a time...
https://cruelery.com/uploads/157_cdfc82d8c66426e21e395c61385d6b24.jpg

Auto-edited on 2020-08-02 to update URLs

Offline

 

#9 2020-07-14 23:17:34

If it were only that easy to freeze areas, peoples and politics.  The Comanche and Lakota would very much take issue with that map.  Honestly anything we know was from after the plagues decimated the land and the fall of the natives was all but written in stone.

Offline

 

#10 2020-07-15 10:54:41

Hey, where are the Pequot on that map?

The natives in coastal New England where wiped out by disease from the Portugese and French who were overwintering in America coastal waters. Many decades before our English Forefathers ever picked up an axe to build a shelter on the land.  Less than 10% were left. But when push came to shove that did not stop the Plymouth colony from wiping out the last few hundred men, woman and children of the peaceful and English allied Narragansetts who took shelter in the only stone indian fort ever built. They couldn't overrun it over 11 months so they used subterfuge to lure them out in an attempt to retreat to their cousins beyond the northern wilderness. No one made it. The stone hilltop fort still stands, hidden in the coastal woods, and is forgotten by even the locals.

Offline

 

#11 2020-07-15 11:27:28

https://cruelery.com/uploads/359_17a-2.jpg

The last Wampanog on Nantucket. Such is not just a sentimental genre.

Auto-edited on 2020-08-02 to update URLs

Offline

 

#12 2020-07-15 11:33:32

Offline

 

#13 2020-07-15 13:28:13

Johnny_Rotten wrote:

Hey, where are the Pequot on that map?

The natives in coastal New England where wiped out by disease from the Portugese and French who were overwintering in America coastal waters. Many decades before our English Forefathers ever picked up an axe to build a shelter on the land.  Less than 10% were left. But when push came to shove that did not stop the Plymouth colony from wiping out the last few hundred men, woman and children of the peaceful and English allied Narragansetts who took shelter in the only stone indian fort ever built. They couldn't overrun it over 11 months so they used subterfuge to lure them out in an attempt to retreat to their cousins beyond the northern wilderness. No one made it. The stone hilltop fort still stands, hidden in the coastal woods, and is forgotten by even the locals.

I have a a friend who is a member of the Narragansetts in Rhode Island, lives just off the rez.  He has some stories about the treatment of the tribe by the English, and to the present day.  Always sobering.

Offline

 

Board footer

cruelery.com