#2 2016-02-06 22:05:40

How can it be,” Schurr asks, “that successful, distinguished people—take [former New York State Gov.] Eliot Spitzer, who I think was a true civil servant when he started out his career with good intentions—turn corrupt? At the same time, you have other successful people, like Mother Theresa, who don’t become corrupt. What distinguishes between these two types of successful people?”

What a bunch of skewed BS...on so many levels...making its way onto the pages of Scientific American no less!?!?!?

Spitzer, to my knowledge wasn't guilty of corruption but rather infidelity.  Coincidentally, exposed almost immediately after taking on Wall Street corruption.
As far as Mother Theresa, Mr Hitchens might take issue.

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#3 2016-02-06 23:19:54

JetRx wrote:

How can it be,” Schurr asks, “that successful, distinguished people—take [former New York State Gov.] Eliot Spitzer, who I think was a true civil servant when he started out his career with good intentions—turn corrupt? At the same time, you have other successful people, like Mother Theresa, who don’t become corrupt. What distinguishes between these two types of successful people?”

What a bunch of skewed BS...on so many levels...making its way onto the pages of Scientific American no less!?!?!?

Spitzer, to my knowledge wasn't guilty of corruption but rather infidelity.  Coincidentally, exposed almost immediately after taking on Wall Street corruption.
As far as Mother Theresa, Mr Hitchens might take issue.

Completely agree with Christopher Hitchens' take on Mother Theresa.  They weren't trying to cure leprosy, they were reveling in the suffering of the lepers.  The Catholic church is not a force for good, and never has been.

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#4 2016-02-07 05:08:45

Baywolfe wrote:

The Catholic church is not a force for good, and never has been.

I reckon that's a point of view situation, for those who like to have sex with children both the Catholic Church and Subway Restaurants are shining examples of goodness.

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#5 2016-02-08 12:11:14

Emmeran wrote:

Baywolfe wrote:

The Catholic church is not a force for good, and never has been.

I reckon that's a point of view situation, for those who like to have sex with children both the Catholic Church and Subway Restaurants are shining examples of goodness.

I'm not a big fan of Subway, but I'm not going to put them in the same league with the RCC until they kill millions of people and steal the wealth of several countries.  One pedophile spokesman does not a conspiracy make.

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#6 2016-02-13 20:04:21

"When we win in competition, in particular when we establish we are above others in rank, we will feel more powerful,” says Dacher Keltner, a psychologist at the University of California, Berkeley who did not take part in the research. “And dozens of studies have found that the simple feeling of power makes people feel above the scrutiny of others and act in impulsive, self-gratifying and unethical ways. Feelings of power, whether it comes from wealth, a person’s position in a hierarchical structure or in this case competition, can indeed lead to various abuses like lying and stealing.

I'm taking this as the point of the study, not Spitzer, the Catholic Church, or Subway.

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#7 2016-02-13 22:32:03

"Power attracts the corruptible."
--Frank Herbert's Dune

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#8 2016-02-14 01:31:31

sigmoid freud wrote:

"When we win in competition, in particular when we establish we are above others in rank, we will feel more powerful,” says Dacher Keltner, a psychologist at the University of California, Berkeley who did not take part in the research. “And dozens of studies have found that the simple feeling of power makes people feel above the scrutiny of others and act in impulsive, self-gratifying and unethical ways. Feelings of power, whether it comes from wealth, a person’s position in a hierarchical structure or in this case competition, can indeed lead to various abuses like lying and stealing.

I'm taking this as the point of the study, not Spitzer, the Catholic Church, or Subway.

My assertion was those counterfactual representations pretty much cast doubt on the author's qualification for accuracy. 

Ask yourself: What "grant money" was funneled, under the guise of "research", to ultimately restate what reasoned individuals have known intuitively since bipedal humans came down from trees?

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#9 2016-02-14 12:00:51

JetRx wrote:

sigmoid freud wrote:

"When we win in competition, in particular when we establish we are above others in rank, we will feel more powerful,” says Dacher Keltner, a psychologist at the University of California, Berkeley who did not take part in the research. “And dozens of studies have found that the simple feeling of power makes people feel above the scrutiny of others and act in impulsive, self-gratifying and unethical ways. Feelings of power, whether it comes from wealth, a person’s position in a hierarchical structure or in this case competition, can indeed lead to various abuses like lying and stealing.

I'm taking this as the point of the study, not Spitzer, the Catholic Church, or Subway.

My assertion was those counterfactual representations pretty much cast doubt on the author's qualification for accuracy. 

Ask yourself: What "grant money" was funneled, under the guise of "research", to ultimately restate what reasoned individuals have known intuitively since bipedal humans came down from trees?

Outside of pure scientific or medical research, when was the last time this was not the case?  Everybody starts with a conclusion and reverse engineers back to the "findings".

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