#1 2007-10-05 10:21:10

Choad,

Please consider switching to Simple Machines.  The features and spam control are much better.  :

    *  Uses PHP and MySQL.
    * Comprehensive template system.
    * Advanced permission and user management.
    * Supports multiple languages at once.
    * Open and well-documented source code.
    * Tracking of new and old unread topics, not just from your last visit.
    * Designed for optimal performance and scalability.
    * Multi-media output. (XHTML, XML, RSS, WAP)
    * Multi-language support from a large community.
    * Package manager that automatically installs or uninstalls mods (also known as hacks.)
    * Search:
          o Search the entire forum, a category/board or within a topic.
          o Search within your personal messages.

Security

    * All actions seamlessly require a session based authorization code.
    * Administrative actions require the user's password (and do not rely solely on cookies.)
    * Major actions are time and IP locked, preventing 'hammering'.
    * The number of login attempts from a certain IP can be limited and time locked.

Forum Settings

    * Ability to display page creation time and query count per page.
    * Put a board into maintenance mode, allowing only admins to login.
    * Word censoring, either full word or partial.
    * Ability to break up long words.

Boards and Categories

    * Group boards into collapsible categories.
    * Set categories as non-collapsible.
    * Reorder boards within categories, or reorder categories.
    * Create child boards under other boards. (sub boards)
    * Assign moderators to boards.
    * Allow certain membergroups to access a board, including guests only.
    * Configure permissions for each membergroup on the board level.
    * Ability to indicate new posts to child boards but nothing new in parent.

Member Registration

    * Require registration before forum entrance.
    * Require a user to agree to terms before they register.
    * Disable member registration completely (allowing only moderators to register people).
    * Require email authentication by sending an authentication link.
    * Require a moderator to approve registration.
    * Register new members from the admin center.

Member Navigation and Authentication

    * Several security checks during navigation.
    * Password reminder option, by email with confirmation. (doesn't automatically reset your password.)
    * Both cookie and session based authentication (works without cookies.)
    * Cookies can be set local to a path, global to all subdomains, or normally.
    * Adjustable expiration time for authentication cookies.

Member Tracking and Tracing

    * Sortable and searchable public memberlist (accessible by a permission.)
    * Powerful sortable and searchable admin memberlist.
    * Show all (error) messages and IPs made by a member. (track user)
    * Show all (error) messages from an IP address or range. (track IP)
    * See who's doing what (accessible by permission.)

Statistics

    * Several board statistics (accessible by permission.)
    * Tracking of member's online time in seconds.
    * Tracking of topics, messages, new members, and hits per day.
    * Individual member statistics accessible from their profile.

News and Announcements

    * Ability to create announcement boards (members receive a notification of topics automatically.)
    * Member option to disable receiving announcements.
    * Email or private message your members by membergroup.
    * Show a news ticker or news fader.

Communication

    * Ability to choose sendmail or SMTP (with or without authentication.)
    * Ability to send a topic to a friend.
    * Ability to view a "printer friendly" version of topics.

Membergroups

    * Create membergroups to group members on permissions, access rights, and/or appearance.
    * Assign several membergroups to a single member, with one membergroup as the primary group.
    * Define membergroups that are auto-assigned based on the amount of posts a user has.
    * Determine the maximum number of personal messages a membergroup is allowed to have by group.
    * Assign graphical symbol(s) to a membergroup - by primary group.
    * Determine which membergroups are allowed to access a board.

Banning

    * Ban members based on their username, email address, IP address or hostname.
    * Support of wildcards for email address, IP address, and hostname.
    * Include a ban reason (viewable for the banned user).
    * Include a ban note (only viewable by the admins).
    * Chose between full ban, 'no post' ban, or registration ban.
    * Include an expiration time for bans.

External integration

    * Integrate parts of forum software into existing website using SSI or PHP.
          o Recent topics or posts.
          o Recent news posts in a board.
          o Recent polls.
          o Several forum statistics.
          o List of users online.
          o The menu bar.
          o News.
          o Search.
          o Login/logout.
          o Today's events/birthdays/holidays.
    * Export forum data using XML/RSS
          o Latest members.
          o News.
          o Recent posts.

Wireless access

    * Support for WAP, WAP2 and I-mode protocols.
    * Browse through boards/topics/messages with reduced page size.
    * Ability to login and logout (not with WAP 1.)
    * Ability to see new topics/boards with new replies.
    * Ability to jump to first unread reply.
    * Ability to post new messages (not with WAP 1.)

Theming and Templating

    * Ability to allow or disallow your users to select their own theme.
    * Ability to reset all of your members to a certain theme.
    * Ability to install a new theme via your administration center.
    * Default templates are XHTML 1.0 Transitional and CSS 2.0 compliant.
    * Admin can add smileys and smiley sets.
    * Members can choose which smiley set they wish to use (or none.)
    * Themes can be installed by way of the "latest and greatest themes" panel.
    * SSI can have and show layers and the like from the template system.

Posting Features

    * Spell Check.
    * Quick Reply
          o Members can disable it or collapse it.
          o Can be used with "Quote".
          o Also contains "Spell Check".
    * Vast number of "bulletin board codes" to use (including rtl, acronym, and others.)
    * Optional editing grace period before a post is shown as modified.
    * 'Insert Quote' feature on posting screen to quickly quote previous replies.

Polls

    * Can be added or removed to existing topics.
    * Ability to set expiration date.
    * Ability to hide results till expiration of poll.
    * Ability to hide results until after people have voted.
    * Ability to determine how many votes a user may cast.
    * Polls can have up to 256 options.

Attachments

    * Allowed on a per member group or board basis.
    * The filename can be encrypted to increase the security (so you can upload .php files, etc.)
    * Optional restriction on what filetypes may be uploaded.
    * Ability to restrict such that only registered members can view them (disables hotlinking, mostly.)
    * Images can be embedded into posts.

Calendar Support

    * Shows Birthdays, Events and Holidays.
    * Display calendar information on board index.
    * Link an existing topic to the calendar.
    * Allow only certain members/groups post events.
    * Event poster can edit event.
    * Events can span multiple days.

Moderation Tools

    * Ability to lock and unlock a topic.
          o Topics which are locked by an administrator can not unlocked by anyone else.
    * Ability to allow members to use moderation on just topics they posted.
    * "Report to moderator" link.
    * Delete or modify posts.
    * Ability to Merge/Split topics.
    * Move or delete topics.
    * Sticky or unsticky topics.
    * Recycle bin/board for all deleted topics and posts.
    * Moderation log which shows moderation activity and disallows log removal outside of 1 day.
    * AJAX editing:
          o Edit a post without page reloads.
          o Double click to edit topic subjects on message index.

User Profiles and User Options

    * Ability to hide your email address from the public.
    * Select their favorite theme among the activated forum themes.
    * Select their smiley set from the ones available.
    * Email notification
          o New topics per board.
          o Single topics.
          o Private messages.
    * Login with 'invisible' mode.
    * Options to hide other members' avatars and signatures.
    * Ability to download and resize uploaded avatars.
    * Personal text, avatar, signature, and all the niceties of forums can be used and are kept up to date in all your posts.

User Resources

    * Icons for topics you've posted to.
    * Show new replies to your posts.
    * Collapsible 'Additional Options' on post screen.
    * Ability to view most recent messages.
    * List all topics that have new replies since your last visit.
    * See who is browsing the same boards or topics as you.
    * Topics that span multiple pages have the page numbers listed as well as an "all" link.

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#2 2007-10-05 10:43:30

It does look awesome, but if we're gonna change it over, we have to do it quick, because I don't wanna have to move a gazillion user accounts over by hand.

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#3 2007-10-05 10:47:36

Yeah, that is why I'm recommending it now.  I have used it before.  It's free, and takes about 10 minutes to set up.  It has an automated installer.

Choad??

We can split adding the active users.  I say if they haven't posted yet, let them re sign up later.  Choad can leave this board up, but just lock it for posting and leave it as read-only if he's worried about the current topics being available.

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#4 2007-10-05 15:55:43

* Bump *

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#5 2007-10-05 18:39:34

WAP support would be nice.

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#6 2007-10-05 20:13:39

Roger_That wrote:

Please consider switching to Simple Machines.  The features and spam control are much better.

Convince us. Here are Rcade's thoughts on the subject.

Once you settle on a design and a focus, stick with it.

Every time I reworked Cruel.Com I dug a deeper hole for the site. It wasn't until the last redesign that I stopped losing traffic. People hate redesigns, no matter how good they are.

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#7 2007-10-05 20:52:51

Roger_That wrote:

Please consider switching to Simple Machines.

I have an idea, RT. Opsec has an unused web host account we might persuade him to lend us for testing purposes. Ask him!

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#8 2007-10-05 21:35:37

I have already used Simple Machines.  It is way better than this.  Once it's set, you won't want to change it.  There is no need to.

It's your call.  I have hosting space myself, but not sure I am ready for a reveal of my personal information by sharing the current Simple Machines forum I admin...

I guarantee it would appeal to most everyone.  Also, since we've only been up here and running for less than a week, I can't say a change now would be very drastic.  Most people have yet to start calling this home...officially.

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#9 2007-10-05 21:46:04

Roger_That wrote:

I have already used Simple Machines.

Gowan, give us link we can abuse!

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#10 2007-10-05 22:03:20

If the people doing all the work here want to give it a try, I'm all for it.

Now's the time to experiment, before people get used to things being a certain way.

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#11 2007-10-06 01:25:14

Opsec has an unused web host account we might persuade him to lend us for testing purposes.

Alas, my main site is running MS, BUT if my little Apache site is still active and can handle the load I'm more than happy to donate the space.

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#12 2007-10-06 02:15:20

opsec wrote:

Opsec has an unused web host account we might persuade him to lend us for testing purposes.

Alas, my main site is running MS, BUT if my little Apache site is still active and can handle the load I'm more than happy to donate the space.

Note the address on this link, goat boy.

Forgot to bill you, didn't they?

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#13 2007-10-06 02:41:13

Forgot to bill you, didn't they?

Apparently.  Hopefully they'll miss that loud font and continue to forget.

The site has no domain, it's got the PHP and SQL but currently my admin login accesses all my accounts, so I can't give access.  I'd have to test run the goat, and installing a message board is a pain in the ass.   Let me drink on it.

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#14 2007-10-06 09:13:42

Ops,

Installing Simple Machines is super fucking easy.  They do the install FOR you. There is an .exe program that sets it all up for you., it even creates the database for you on your server, and installs the directories.  All you need to do is know the logon and password connection info for your SQL database admin.  IT took me 5 minutes.

I am more than happy to share my current website space as a side domain. The problem is the URL is my fucking actual name.  So you can see my dilemma here.  Not for the current group here, but should we decide to return to the cruel of lore...there would be no way for me to keep my identity safe.

The site where I currently have a forum now gets enough traffic that if it gets anymore I won't be able to afford the bandwidth.  So I am sure as hell not pointing this group of idiots that way...

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#15 2007-10-06 09:24:44

Roger_That wrote:

I am more than happy to share my current website space as a side domain. The problem is the URL is my fucking actual name.

Silly rabbit. If you aren't offered a dozen unemployed and quickly forwarded domain names by evening, I'll eat my hat.

Like greenlobster.net? Take it!

Auto-edited on 2020-08-02 to update URLs

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#16 2007-10-06 09:27:42

yeah, but the problem is I have the hosting space, and need to keep my domain name associated with it, because it's my freelance business site.

So you see the rub here eh?  As if I want to associate another domain with it, and put this shite on there.  It wouldn't be that hard to figure out what other URLs are shared on the hosting domain.

What is it they say...don't mix business with pleasure???

Word.

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#17 2007-10-06 09:34:51

Roger_That wrote:

if I want to associate another domain with it, and put this shite on there.  It wouldn't be that hard to figure out what other URLs are shared on the hosting domain.

Correct me, anyone, but I don't see the problem.

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#18 2007-10-06 10:19:51

Are you being sarcastic?  You don't see the problem with the fact that I am a bit offput about the idea of everyone that visits this messageboard, knowing my name, residence and viewing my full resume??

Let me clarify.  If I add another URL on to my current hosting package, all it does is send the visitor to my main site (my personal site).  I can have as many different URL's as I want pointing to my main domain.  So, as far as I know, I can't use www.whateverurl.com separate of www.mybusiness_site.com.  both go to the same place.  I can, however, create subdomains.  These though will always start with www.mybusinessname.com/subdomain.  The way my hosting package works is I have to select one URL as the "default" URL.  Everything else points to that, and works off that...

Make sense?  Or not?  Who knows... who cares!

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#19 2007-10-06 17:12:44

Roger_That wrote:

Are you being sarcastic?  You don't see the problem with the fact that I am a bit offput about

I know it's rare but no, no sarcasm. I've got the same issues and you make a good point. I'll solve the problem for both of us Monday when I move this lunacy to a more robust and dedicated server. Stay tooned.

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#20 2007-10-06 19:22:04

Just my two-cents plain here... I loathe SMF, and I won't even waste your time listing the reasons. I would almost sooner stick with this PunBB BS. Granted, whatever freeware you can strip down and manage effectively is what you should go with, though the licensed boards are worth it, for the support alone. I reviewed hundreds of forums for an admin site, and have seen just about everything out there [shudder]. When all is said and done, and since "looks" aren't what matter here, it's up to your own technical comfort zone and how "safe" you want to keep your members and your server. You might also have some interest in SEO, at a later date, and that's a whole other ball of wax.

The way I look at it, you shouldn't have to go crazy, dashing after spammers, banning trolls, or otherwise playing a constant game of catch-up if things start getting outta hand (and they will). You've already taken on a tremendous responsibility, for which I know everyone is grateful...so I don't want it to seem as if this criticism is intended as anything other than to avoid trouble for you in the future. It would be better to start with a more secure, easily managed environment than to end up having to shoehorn a burgeoning DB into a new one after four or five mini-apocalypses. If that has to be SMF, then so be it, but I would hate for your hard work to get hacked to bits by the number of exploits out there. I don't know your actual skill level with forum operation, so if you're already aware of these possibilites, then accept my thanks and ignore whatever I just said.

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#21 2007-10-06 20:02:31

pALEPHx wrote:

whatever freeware you can strip down and manage effectively is what you should go with, though the licensed boards are worth it, for the support alone.

I saw dozens of bbs sprout from the same tiny Iowa farm towns in the early 80s and launched my own as soon as I could because I knew I could do it better.

That's what everybody thought at first. Stick around, pALEPHx. This is a group effort. Everyone's gonna profit here.

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#22 2007-10-06 20:05:29

AAHHAHA I ran a BBS on 1200 baud back in the dayz yo.  I gots plenty o bbs'ing forum skillz.

w00t.

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#23 2007-10-06 20:12:23

Roger_That wrote:

AAHHAHA I ran a BBS on 1200 baud back in the dayz yo.  I gots plenty o bbs'ing forum skillz.

w00t.

That's how I met Peco and MonkeyBoy. One of my favorite tag lines of that era was...

Hire me and I can do this on your dime!

Fess up, RT. You ran wussy Wildcat!, didn't you!?

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#24 2007-10-07 14:00:07

choad wrote:

I saw dozens of bbs sprout from the same tiny Iowa farm towns in the early 80s and launched my own as soon as I could because I knew I could do it better.

That's what everybody thought at first. Stick around, pALEPHx. This is a group effort. Everyone's gonna profit here.

Okie doke. I'm good for a graphic here and there, if you need something. I can't be much help on server-side issues for this boardware, or skinning, as most of my experience has been with IPB and vB. Next, you're going to say you loved the VAX system, listserves, and were an original member of the WELL. Perhaps we can call this the "unWell?"

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#25 2007-10-07 14:09:48

VAX and all that shit blows.

I'm ok with the format we have going now.  Seems to work fine.  So I recant unless everyone still wants to give it a go.

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

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#26 2007-10-07 15:41:27

Correction: It blew...but I'm sure there are plenty among us who coveted it as the technoporn of its day, much as they did with their Atari 2600s, their Commodore Vics, and their DARPAnets.

Like RT said, I'll withdraw all cajoling to leave the thing unbroken, but there is almost always room for improvement. Whether that is to security, functionality, appearance, or the desire to increase membership (we will eventually cannibalize each other if not given fresher kills) and monetization (you already donate your time, so what next?).

As host, you should reserve the capacity to do any of these in the future. Whether a better branded and supported boardware can accomplish this, then you seem capable of making that decision without a cacophony of groans when you announce it...and without my continued narishkeit.

I will offer one last encouragement, tho. Don't assiduously avoid more powerful software versions because they're easy to disdain from how we've all seen them abused by the kiddies. I've always felt Cruel would have been that much more enjoyably ironic if it had a "Hello Kitty" skin option.

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