#2 2009-08-20 11:13:37
I have been following this movement out here in Lala land. Although the risks of opening a can of worms are apparent, the fact that the state government is nonfunctional has everyone seriously considering the idea. If the choice of delegates is really random, this could become the best thing that ever happened to government here. If, when it's over, everyone feels they got screwed, then I will call it a success. And if it does happen, look for it to come to your state shortly thereafter.
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#3 2009-08-20 11:20:26
If it's too random, we could have the dude who works at Jiffy Lube creating California's legislation.
Is there a minimum educational requirement? As in picking people who are smart enough to understand what they're doing? Or would it be like jury duty, where people are randomly picked, but a panel ascertains whether they have two brains to rub together?
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#4 2009-08-20 11:26:45
sofaking wrote:
If it's too random, we could have the dude who works at Jiffy Lube creating California's legislation.
Is there a minimum educational requirement? As in picking people who are smart enough to understand what they're doing? Or would it be like jury duty, where people are randomly picked, but a panel ascertains whether they have two brains to rub together?
The point is we have entirely too many laws at this point - this place is a complete fucking joke.
Besides, I want to be selected - it would be one hell of a party and there's a pretty good chance one could get laid in the process.
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#5 2009-08-20 13:02:48
sofaking wrote:
If it's too random, we could have the dude who works at Jiffy Lube creating California's legislation.
Is there a minimum educational requirement? As in picking people who are smart enough to understand what they're doing? Or would it be like jury duty, where people are randomly picked, but a panel ascertains whether they have two brains to rub together?
One would hope there would be a few minimum qualifications, like ability to read, write, and speak English. But with all the Hispanics in the state, even placing that requirement on the group may be in jeopardy. If they make the group large enough, the intelligent ones will take the leadership role like they do in a jury. The challanged ones can sit back, listen, and be manipulated (hopefully).
As Em says, this place is messed up. The legislature just "balanced" the budget by stealing money from the counties and cities, and those jurisdictions didn't have it to spare. The result is massive layoffs at the local level where the citizens have been frugal while the fat state government lumbers along while eating our lunch.
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#6 2009-08-20 13:09:12
phreddy wrote:
sofaking wrote:
If it's too random, we could have the dude who works at Jiffy Lube creating California's legislation.
Is there a minimum educational requirement? As in picking people who are smart enough to understand what they're doing? Or would it be like jury duty, where people are randomly picked, but a panel ascertains whether they have two brains to rub together?One would hope there would be a few minimum qualifications, like ability to read, write, and speak English. But with all the Hispanics in the state, even placing that requirement on the group may be in jeopardy. If they make the group large enough, the intelligent ones will take the leadership role like they do in a jury. The challanged ones can sit back, listen, and be manipulated (hopefully).
As Em says, this place is messed up. The legislature just "balanced" the budget by stealing money from the counties and cities, and those jurisdictions didn't have it to spare. The result is massive layoffs at the local level where the citizens have been frugal while the fat state government lumbers along while eating our lunch.
The legislature has been stealing money from the counties ever since the passage of Prop 13. Counties have been struggling for years now to meet their fiduciary and social obligations. Government by initiative is stupid, and government by initiative in a "country" with 40 million people and the world's eighth largest economy is even more stupid.
I had seen some of their material online, but it was so non-partisan I found myself wondering just which political party was behind it. Having seen this, I'll go back and take another look. Since it appears I'm stuck in California for years to come, I'd like to see something worthwhile replace the shitty government we have now.
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#7 2009-08-20 13:20:24
Well, good luck to ya. Seriously. Cali refugees are starting to trickle in even as far east as here (south TX) and nobody wants 'em. Nobody. So I'm in favor of any attempt to repair California and keep Californians where they belong.
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#8 2009-08-20 13:26:10
George Orr wrote:
Well, good luck to ya. Seriously. Cali refugees are starting to trickle in even as far east as here (south TX) and nobody wants 'em. Nobody. So I'm in favor of any attempt to repair California and keep Californians where they belong.
Are you sure they're Californians? They may be Mexicans. It's hard to tell the difference.
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#9 2009-08-20 14:16:34
phreddy wrote:
George Orr wrote:
Well, good luck to ya. Seriously. Cali refugees are starting to trickle in even as far east as here (south TX) and nobody wants 'em. Nobody. So I'm in favor of any attempt to repair California and keep Californians where they belong.
Are you sure they're Californians? They may be Mexicans. It's hard to tell the difference.
It's actually very simple: if they're eating tortillas from a plastic bag, they're Mexican. If they're eating handcrafted, artisan tortillas produced by a lesbian/womyn-operated cooperative from 100 percent organic, heirloom corn harvested by unionized farm laborers, they're Californian.
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#10 2009-08-20 14:29:25
Taint wrote:
It's actually very simple: if they're eating tortillas from a plastic bag, they're Mexican. If they're eating handcrafted, artisan tortillas produced by a lesbian/womyn-operated cooperative from 100 percent organic, heirloom corn harvested by unionized farm laborers, they're Californian.
No, those are self-absorbed California yuppies. They don't move to Texas. I tell the Mexicans from the Californians by a few simple observations:
1. Are they poorly dressed, but well-mannered? Mexican
2. Do they feign ignorance of English, but know their way around social programs like an African American welfare mom? Californian.
3. Do they work their asses off from dawn to dark at the worst jobs? Mexican.
4. Do they shoot each other over a perceived disrespectful glance? Californian.
5. Tattoos? Californian.
6. Ride in the back of a pickup truck? Mexican. Back of a Chevy with a $500 paint job and bald tires? You got it.
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#11 2009-08-20 15:28:09
It's my understanding that the self-absorbed California yuppies invaded Colorado (and are busy making it uninhabitable). No, here in Texas we're seeing the lower orders, pretty much as characterized by Phredd.
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#12 2009-08-20 15:35:26
George Orr wrote:
It's my understanding that the self-absorbed California yuppies invaded Colorado (and are busy making it uninhabitable). No, here in Texas we're seeing the lower orders, pretty much as characterized by Phredd.
Nah the ones that went to Colorado, Oregon and Washington weren't actually Californians. Those were the misfits that migrated here in the 70's & 80's from places like Vermont; they totally fucked up California and then moved on to continue their mission of equipping Western Civilization with planned communities and play-dates for the kiddies.
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#13 2009-08-20 16:13:22
George Orr wrote:
It's my understanding that the self-absorbed California yuppies invaded Colorado (and are busy making it uninhabitable). No, here in Texas we're seeing the lower orders, pretty much as characterized by Phredd.
I live in a cookie-cutter planned community enclave of displaced people from everywhere, but mostly Californians. They're migrating westward, George. Be afraid!
The funny thing is that when I was growing up in California, everyone was from a different place, but had moved there. I was born in Colorado.
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#14 2009-08-20 17:01:58
Sofie wrote:
I live in a cookie-cutter planned community enclave of displaced people from everywhere, but mostly Californians. They're migrating westward, George. Be afraid!
Right you are Sofie. In fact, during the 90's California grew by about 10 million people, but actually had a net loss of population to the other states. So, the Californians are moving to Nevada, Texas and elsewhere while immigrants, legal and otherwise keep flowing in. I can only imagine what the 2010 census will show. Afortunadamente hablo un pocito de espanol.
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#15 2009-08-20 18:07:05
Here is what we need. A big-titted California airhead to help us solve the state's problems.
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#16 2009-08-20 18:55:29
phreddy wrote:
Sofie wrote:
I live in a cookie-cutter planned community enclave of displaced people from everywhere, but mostly Californians. They're migrating westward, George. Be afraid!
Right you are Sofie. In fact, during the 90's California grew by about 10 million people, but actually had a net loss of population to the other states. So, the Californians are moving to Nevada, Texas and elsewhere while immigrants, legal and otherwise keep flowing in. I can only imagine what the 2010 census will show. Afortunadamente hablo un pocito de espanol.
nah the illegals are bailing faster than the native Californians, they came here from a sinking ship and are able to recognize it much faster than the rest of us.
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#17 2009-08-20 19:40:34
sofaking wrote:
The funny thing is that when I was growing up in California, everyone was from a different place, but had moved there. I was born in Colorado.
Hey Sofa, are you the other one? I'll be out there next week!
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#18 2009-08-20 19:50:12
California License Plates all over Oregon. The northward march of the Lemming Clans continue.
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#19 2009-08-20 21:02:40
Tall Paul wrote:
sofaking wrote:
The funny thing is that when I was growing up in California, everyone was from a different place, but had moved there. I was born in Colorado.
Hey Sofa, are you the other one? I'll be out there next week!
I'm in Las Vegas now. I'm one of the refugees that everyone hates out here.
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#20 2009-08-20 21:48:40
Dmtdust wrote:
California License Plates all over Oregon. The northward march of the Lemming Clans continue.
The Goldengate can only handle so many...
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#21 2009-08-21 02:54:44
All of you need to be very afraid. I’m a California escapee in a town that’s 75% ex-Californians. It’s a small town, but we have typical California fixtures like Magic Crystal Shops, a vegan catering service that will deliver horrible food-like substances that no self-respecting starving war refugee would eat, many covens of Politically Correct Lesbian Socialist Wiccans, several gated communities of McMansions, each on a postage stamp lot with 10 feet between neighbors, and other horrors too awful to describe in words to anyone who has never lived in California.
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#22 2009-08-21 08:32:18
I like it. California should resolve its Constitution to be a pure Socialist or Communist state. Then New Hampshire can become the first Libertarian state and South Carolina can become the first Theocracy.
50 experiments in liberty. Best form of government wins.
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#23 2009-08-21 11:08:54
What Scotty said.
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#24 2009-08-21 11:27:33
Dmtdust wrote:
What Scotty said.
It's not so much about the form of government, it's about the citizens in that state. You'll notice that a significant section of our nation isn't having unemployment problems or budget problems; in those states the overwelming public attitude is to take care of yourself.
And I don't mean buying a gun, I mean not spending money you don't have and not allowing your politicians to do so either. Understanding that if you don't do for yourself that you're gonna be hungry, being responsible. This comes out of things like volunteer fire departments and a strong sense of community.
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#25 2009-08-21 11:52:47
Emmeran wrote:
Dmtdust wrote:
What Scotty said.
It's not so much about the form of government, it's about the citizens in that state. You'll notice that a significant section of our nation isn't having unemployment problems or budget problems; in those states the overwelming public attitude is to take care of yourself.
And I don't mean buying a gun, I mean not spending money you don't have and not allowing your politicians to do so either. Understanding that if you don't do for yourself that you're gonna be hungry, being responsible. This comes out of things like volunteer fire departments and a strong sense of community.
Damn it Em, you're starting to sound like a Conservative. As for Scotty's idea about having each state experiment with a different form of government, didn't we do that back when we formed this nation? And, didn't we set up a republic of states united but not beholden to the federal government. The plan was for each state to pretty much run it's own business. Let's just revert back to the original plan and retire about 75% of the federal government.
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#26 2009-08-21 16:54:04
phreddy wrote:
As for Scotty's idea about having each state experiment with a different form of government, didn't we do that back when we formed this nation? And, didn't we set up a republic of states united but not beholden to the federal government. The plan was for each state to pretty much run it's own business.
Yeah, it seemed to be working out rather well up un-till the Northern states de-cided that they could tell the Southern states how to run their business. The Fourteenth Amendment changed every-thing (And, obviously, not for the better).
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#27 2009-08-21 17:50:12
phreddy wrote:
Emmeran wrote:
Dmtdust wrote:
What Scotty said.
It's not so much about the form of government, it's about the citizens in that state. You'll notice that a significant section of our nation isn't having unemployment problems or budget problems; in those states the overwelming public attitude is to take care of yourself.
And I don't mean buying a gun, I mean not spending money you don't have and not allowing your politicians to do so either. Understanding that if you don't do for yourself that you're gonna be hungry, being responsible. This comes out of things like volunteer fire departments and a strong sense of community.Damn it Em, you're starting to sound like a Conservative. As for Scotty's idea about having each state experiment with a different form of government, didn't we do that back when we formed this nation? And, didn't we set up a republic of states united but not beholden to the federal government. The plan was for each state to pretty much run it's own business. Let's just revert back to the original plan and retire about 75% of the federal government.
Eh?? No - let's not be the Euro-zone.
I am conservative, but I'm also intelligent - ergo I hate both parties. However I do have a special bit of extra hatred for the hypocritical Republicans, but only because they well deserve it for what they've done and continue to do. Take their organized storming of the health care town halls for example: third world tactics just to please their corporate masters. In the end they get paid and the most worthless industry in the world grinds on sucking up our money.
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#28 2009-08-21 21:28:29
fnord wrote:
All of you need to be very afraid. I’m a California escapee in a town that’s 75% ex-Californians. It’s a small town, but we have typical California fixtures like Magic Crystal Shops, a vegan catering service that will deliver horrible food-like substances that no self-respecting starving war refugee would eat
Ok, I'll bite. What did you order, and what was the damage? Our food critics are standing by, forks poised.
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#29 2009-08-22 00:53:20
choad wrote:
fnord wrote:
All of you need to be very afraid. I’m a California escapee in a town that’s 75% ex-Californians. It’s a small town, but we have typical California fixtures like Magic Crystal Shops, a vegan catering service that will deliver horrible food-like substances that no self-respecting starving war refugee would eat
Ok, I'll bite. What did you order, and what was the damage? Our food critics are standing by, forks poised.
The restaurant associated with this catering service has a menu full of fake meats made of tofu (processed soybean goo) or seitan (processed wheat goo) along with dishes that contain these substances in their repulsive unaltered forms. I ordered a salad, because I thought vegans couldn’t possibly mess that up. I was wrong; the dressing was a nasty concoction that contained soy sauce, coconut oil, ginger, and miso powder. Partner™ was equally disgusted with the menu, and ordered the cornbread entrée with the same idea that vegans couldn’t possibly screw up a bread recipe. It was the worst cornbread he had ever had. Relatives that were going through a vegan phase paid for the meal. I supplemented my giant meal-sized salad with some dead animal leftovers when I got home. The next afternoon, the relatives were at our house, and suggested to the kids that they go back for supper that night. The kids had a fit and said no way!
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