Aladdin:

Years ago, I had a similar skepticism when they started Delta flights between Atlanta and London.

I could see people wanting to go from Atlanta to London, all right, but not the other way.  I had visions of Delta's entire fleet eventually ending up sitting at Heathrow, waiting for return bookings that would never come.

What's shocking about this incident was the guy:

1.  Didn't have a passport
2.  Paid cash for his plane ticket
3.  Was denied a (second) student visa to England
4.  Was on a terrorist watch list
5.  Had a fucking bomb strapped to his leg

Words cannot describe how baffled I am that this inept fuck managed to get on the fucking plane in the first place.

Emmeran wrote:

What's shocking about this incident was the guy:

1.  Didn't have a passport
2.  Paid cash for his plane ticket
3.  Was denied a (second) student visa to England
4.  Was on a terrorist watch list
5.  Had a fucking bomb strapped to his leg

Words cannot describe how baffled I am that this inept fuck managed to get on the fucking plane in the first place.

And I had to throw away my fucking cologne to go to Vegas.

George Orr wrote:

jesusluvspegging wrote:

The system works

Where were all these brave critics 8+ years ago, when speaking out might have (unlikely, I admit; but still, might have) made a difference?

They weren't getting published because everyone was busy shitting themselves in terror.

Emmeran wrote:

What's shocking about this incident was the guy:

1.  Didn't have a passport
2.  Paid cash for his plane ticket
3.  Was denied a (second) student visa to England
4.  Was on a terrorist watch list
5.  Had a fucking bomb strapped to his leg

Words cannot describe how baffled I am that this inept fuck managed to get on the fucking plane in the first place.

Apparently he had an accomplice who sweet talked numb nutted security in Amsterdam.

Eventually we will have to drop the political correctness and start profiling passengers.  "I'm so sorry sir, but you are a young Muslim man with a terminal case of the sweats.  I'll need you to come with me please."

Profiling works!  And I will be glad to see the end of pandering to foolish PC opposition to it!

Emmeran wrote:

GooberMcNutly wrote:

Oh, and there will be some immediate changes to regulations:

Immediate changes restricted passengers' access to overhead bins and carry-on items during the last hour of inbound, international flight. No electronics or lap items were to be allowed, including reading material.

WTF is this "last hour" business?  That sure as hell wouldn't have helped the Lockerbie folks, does it suddenly suck less to be blown up half-way through your flight than it does when you are almost there?

Depends on the meal and movie, really.

AladdinSane wrote:

You know, the thing I found most shocking about the incident is that there are non-stop flights between Amsterdam and fucking Detroit...

The Ruins of Detroit

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George Orr wrote:

Where were all these brave critics 8+ years ago, when speaking out might have (unlikely, I admit; but still, might have) made a difference?

Ignored then, just as they will be now.

I know from experience that security at Amsterdam’s Schiphol airport is incompetent.  I was pulled out of line to get on a Continental flight back to America along with Partner™ and accused of being a Dutch national that Partner™ had picked up in Amsterdam and was trying to smuggle into America.  Partner™ and I were interrogated in front of an audience and Partner™ was lectured by the low level airline rent-a-cop about his choice in relationships!  Rent-a-cop was an American kneegrow who was too stupid to realize my English isn’t textbook perfect like that of a European who speaks it as a second language; he was also too stupid to pick up traces of a regional accent that a foreigner would have difficulty faking.  Rent-a-cop was convinced my passport, CA driver’s license and other ID were all fakes!  Rent-a cop took my IDs to his supervisor, who looked at them, glanced in my direction, and told Rent-a-cop there was not a problem and we could get back in line.

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AladdinSane wrote:

1. The bomber must have had second thoughts about trying to blow the plane/himself up because he didn't set off the fuse until a few minutes before the plane was due to land.  The shoe-bomber of years ago at least tried his bomb while the plane was over the Atlantic Ocean.

Actually, if you can knock over a few buildings on your way into the ground, all the better. (Though finding something of worth to hit in Detroit is a crap shoot.) Maybe you will hit the jackpot and crash into a school bus full of inner city youths.

I'm not at all surprised at the fact that a flight goes from Detroit to Amsterdam.  If you've ever been Michigan, you know that there are *tons* of Dutch immigrants who live in MI - indeed, Grand Rapids is like Little-Holland. 




Coincidentally, there's tons of Arab folks too.

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Dmtdust wrote:

fnord wrote:

I know from experience that security at Amsterdam’s Schiphol airport is incompetent.  I was pulled out of line to get on a Continental flight back to America along with Partner™ and accused of being a Dutch national that Partner™ had picked up in Amsterdam and was trying to smuggle into America.  Partner™ and I were interrogated in front of an audience and Partner™ was lectured by the low level airline rent-a-cop about his choice in relationships!  Rent-a-cop was an American kneegrow who was too stupid to realize my English isn’t textbook perfect like that of a European who speaks it as a second language; he was also too stupid to pick up traces of a regional accent that a foreigner would have difficulty faking.  Rent-a-cop was convinced my passport, CA driver’s license and other ID were all fakes!  Rent-a cop took my IDs to his supervisor, who looked at them, glanced in my direction, and told Rent-a-cop there was not a problem and we could get back in line.

An American Rent-A-Cop in Amstedam?  Shirley, surely you jest.

Rent-A-Cop didn't attempt to speak to me in Dutch and study my face to see if I understood what he was saying.  He had an obvious Ebonic accent, something a Dutch speaking kneegrow born in the Netherlands wouldn't have.  The fact that I have Dutch ancestry, and was mistaken for Dutch several times while I was in Amsterdam is no excuse for the outrageous manner in which Partner™ and I were treated.  My surname isn't of Dutch origin, but it wouldn't have mattered if both of my parents had originally been Dutch; I am an American citizen with an American passport.  I had already been screened and my documents had passed scrutiny by people at several checkpoints; it would have been up to INS at LAX to deny me entry after the Dutch authorities had already cleared me to board the plane.

The drawers in question.



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George Orr wrote:

AladdinSane wrote:

You know, the thing I found most shocking about the incident is that there are non-stop flights between Amsterdam and fucking Detroit...

https://cruelery.com/uploads/18_08.jpg

The Ruins of Detroit

Okay, that was just fucking sad.  Makes me want to carpet bomb the place and give it back to the injuns.

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Montecore wrote:

Damn you, phreddy.  DAAAAAAAAMN YOOOOOOOOUU!

I find myself in the position of agreeing with Ann Coulter absolutely, totally and unequivocally.

For that I shall never forgive you.

Oh, the woes of the open mind.

Montecore wrote:

Damn you, phreddy.  DAAAAAAAAMN YOOOOOOOOUU!

I find myself in the position of agreeing with Ann Coulter absolutely, totally and unequivocally.

For that I shall never forgive you.

Not so fast Monte

Arnie Coulter wrote:

His name was Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.

He's Nigerian.

He's a Muslim.

Allow me to present the story of one Mr. Richard Reid

Coulter is still a pandering, racist cunt who wouldn't know a good profiling program if she sat on it.

phreddy wrote:

Em wrote:

Allow me to present the story of one Mr. Richard Reid

Yeah, so what's your point?  Ann didn't suggest that we forget about security for everyone else.  She, like me, wants special treatment for young Muslim men.

Richard Colvin Reid (born 12 August 1973),[1] also known as Abdul Raheem and as Tariq Raja

It doesn't require special treatment of one narrow profile, it necessitates that the current procedures are dutifully followed and that we hire career minded professionals as TSA Agents rather than under-payed and uneducated chumps.  And it requires that we control the situation at the point of embark.

What Coulter isn't smart enough to realize is that the game continues to change: it's no longer only young people, it's not just men, you can't necessarily tell if they are muslim and they probably aren't Arab.

In this case it was a timid black man.  Next one will be a female from the P.I., after that a middle aged white guy from Bosnia.  The narrow and shallow approach advocated by Coulter is a recipe for disaster.

As long as all the white American males with far-right politics and secessionist leanings get the cavity searches too, I don't give a fuck.

Profiling of course is not "the answer", it is however the cold hard reality of life.  I understand the the loony lefties have determined that profiling is racist - and frankly I could give a shit; every animal, fish and fowl profiles for survival, it's the very basis of the survival instinct.

Profiling by race, age or religion in the security world however is a weakness.  We should profile based on actions, attitude and demeanor - throw in actual historical data to weight the profiling and randomness because it may be the most accurate of all and we have a winning program.



For the rest of it Sarge - I was just taking the piss out of Phreddy for a bit of fun; I really wasn't wound up at all.  But it is important that we do understand that profiling a particular set of individuals - namely young, male Muslims - gives our enemies the perfect set up to hurt us again.

Emmeran wrote:

Profiling of course is not "the answer", it is however the cold hard reality of life.  I understand the the loony lefties have determined that profiling is racist - and frankly I could give a shit; every animal, fish and fowl profiles for survival, it's the very basis of the survival instinct.

So, you're saying that white Army veterans (just like Little Timmy Mcveigh) should be subjected to harsh, demeaning inspection and interrogation wherever they travel? WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA SO MUCH????

MSG Tripps wrote:

I believe in profiling Emmeran.

I've never heard it called "profiling" before.

jesusluvspegging wrote:

As long as all the white American males with far-right politics and secessionist leanings get the cavity searches too, I don't give a fuck.

In late 1972, the emergency flight security rules had just begun to be implemented (after 300 hijackings in 4 years or  so) and so I, as the long haired hippie weirdo, was profiled by the FBI agent as the high risk passenger and given a pat down search. 

Jeebus, what you mean is "First Class passengers". For ordinary souls, airport security inconvenience isn't shit compared to the misery of flying cattle car class.