#101 2023-04-15 14:02:26

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#103 2023-04-23 16:12:00

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#104 2023-05-02 22:16:12

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#105 2023-05-03 20:23:57

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State"

Serve or GTFO!

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#106 2023-05-04 14:26:35

It could not be more obvious that the 2nd Amendment was written for radically different times.  Out of 300,000,000+ people in the U.S., how many do you think have the sense and self-control to safely possess and use firearms?  Yet virtually all have been guaranteed a relatively unfettered right to own as many as they want.  And does anyone honestly believe that the founders would be content with the impact of the 2nd Amendment if they were to be here today?

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#107 2023-05-04 15:20:33

Fled wrote:

It could not be more obvious that the 2nd Amendment was written for radically different times.  Out of 300,000,000+ people in the U.S., how many do you think have the sense and self-control to safely possess and use firearms?  Yet virtually all have been guaranteed a relatively unfettered right to own as many as they want.  And does anyone honestly believe that the founders would be content with the impact of the 2nd Amendment if they were to be here today?

The violence rates then were exponentially higher than today. It's all there in the research. The truth of the matter is that violence in the US has been on the wane since the 19th century. Yes, there are bumps upwards, but on the main waaaaaayyyyy down. The difference of today is the constant media reporting on it.

For a really startling comparison, many late Mesolithic/early Neolithic graveyards show almost 1 in 4 male deaths were by violence. You know, the good old days.

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#108 2023-05-04 16:06:50

You set your aspirations awfully low.  I note you did not respond to the questions posed but merely assert that the rate of violence is better today than it was before.  Keep in mind that the rates from earlier times generally include wars, mass killings of Native Americans, and other factors.  The rate may be lower or about equal depending on the source and time you are comparing, but the number of deaths is way up.

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#109 2023-05-04 16:07:39

DmtDusty wrote:

Fled wrote:

It could not be more obvious that the 2nd Amendment was written for radically different times.  Out of 300,000,000+ people in the U.S., how many do you think have the sense and self-control to safely possess and use firearms?  Yet virtually all have been guaranteed a relatively unfettered right to own as many as they want.  And does anyone honestly believe that the founders would be content with the impact of the 2nd Amendment if they were to be here today?

The violence rates then were exponentially higher than today. It's all there in the research. The truth of the matter is that violence in the US has been on the wane since the 19th century. Yes, there are bumps upwards, but on the main waaaaaayyyyy down. The difference of today is the constant media reporting on it.

For a really startling comparison, many late Mesolithic/early Neolithic graveyards show almost 1 in 4 male deaths were by violence. You know, the good old days.

Yes, let's blame the fact that there are one or more mass shootings (4 or more people) a day on the media.

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#110 2023-05-04 17:18:05

Yes, let's blame the fact that there are one or more mass shootings (4 or more people) a day on the media.

That is part of it. "If it bleeds, it leads". Surely you have heard that, or read that. Let's talk as well about deteriorating mental health, lack of childcare, and other societal issues as well that dovetail with this. We can ignore the fact that gun deaths haven't even reached the height of the Crack Years/Reagan-Bush era, let alone the 70's.

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#111 2023-05-04 17:21:53

DmtDusty wrote:

Yes, let's blame the fact that there are one or more mass shootings (4 or more people) a day on the media.

That is part of it. "If it bleeds, it leads". Surely you have heard that, or read that. Let's talk as well about deteriorating mental health, lack of childcare, and other societal issues as well that dovetail with this. We can ignore the fact that gun deaths haven't even reached the height of the Crack Years/Reagan-Bush era, let alone the 70's.

The problem is that "thoughts and prayers" isn't a solution.

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#112 2023-05-04 18:03:43

BorderCount wrote:

DmtDusty wrote:

Yes, let's blame the fact that there are one or more mass shootings (4 or more people) a day on the media.

That is part of it. "If it bleeds, it leads". Surely you have heard that, or read that. Let's talk as well about deteriorating mental health, lack of childcare, and other societal issues as well that dovetail with this. We can ignore the fact that gun deaths haven't even reached the height of the Crack Years/Reagan-Bush era, let alone the 70's.

The problem is that "thoughts and prayers" isn't a solution.

Never said it was. As social inequity grows, so does violence. Look at New York in the 19th century for some hair raising examples. As the country spirals into oligarch land, we may indeed see more of this. Consider though, with over 400 million guns (that estimate may fall far short, up to a billion guns have been discussed...) with that much armament, if guns themselves, inanimate as they are were the problem, why isn't the death toll not higher? It follows that it should be. The truth of the matter is 99.999 percent of gun owners are not the problem.

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#113 2023-05-05 08:47:25

There is no "the" problem.  It is a complex of problems.  So long as people quibble about it, we will continue to see way too many avoidable deaths.  Of course, we should take on the serious underlying problems, like mental health, lack of health care, lack of opportunity, poverty, etc.  I am all for that.  But that does not mean we should not do a better job at keeping guns out of the hands of people who are likely to be dangerous with them.

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#114 2023-05-05 13:41:28

There is always a tendency to oversimplify. There is so many ways things could be fixed, but that would challenge both parties, and the public at large. That is not saying things should remain as they are but acknowledging that there will be difficulties in surmounting blowback.

Just Re Guns: Instituting background checks nationally is a very reasonable thing to do. BGC's in place in most states but vary. Uniformity might be a thing (well it is a thing). The Feds fell down with such people as Dylan Roof, and I cannot remember his name, the ex-service guy, who was booted from the Air Force for domestic violence? (it has been awhile).

I believe firearm training for anyone who purchases a gun is reasonable. I think classes in school for firearm safety, and showing the graphic details of mishaps would go far to de-romanticize the whole ball of wax.

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#115 2023-05-05 23:51:03

We could be like Israel.  Everybody goes in the Army, everybody shoots (and cleans, and loads) guns.

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#116 2023-05-06 13:24:10

Baywolfe wrote:

We could be like Israel.  Everybody goes in the Army, everybody shoots (and cleans, and loads) guns.

It certainly could demystify the whole ball of wax.

I think national service, whether in military, healthcare, parks etc. would build a more cohesive society, looking back at the ccc and other organizations. Especially with financing for school afterwards, to college, tech, construction etc.

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#117 2023-05-10 17:16:43

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#118 2023-05-10 17:52:58

First of all, NO ONE IS PROPOSING GOING DOOR-TO-DOOR TO CONFISCATE GUNS.

Secondly:

"Hello, ma'am. Because a drunk driver you don't know killed 10 people on the interstate, we require anyone who wants to drive a car to take special classes about driving a car and be aware of the dangers of drunk driving. Also, you're required to register your car with the state, make sure it is properly maintained, and carry insurance on it."

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#119 2023-05-10 22:15:17

BorderCount wrote:

First of all, NO ONE IS PROPOSING GOING DOOR-TO-DOOR TO CONFISCATE GUNS.

Secondly:

"Hello, ma'am. Because a drunk driver you don't know killed 10 people on the interstate, we require anyone who wants to drive a car to take special classes about driving a car and be aware of the dangers of drunk driving. Also, you're required to register your car with the state, make sure it is properly maintained, and carry insurance on it."

This was a comment on the State police in Illinois https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinoi … 3a50e.html

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#121 2023-05-12 08:08:52

Oh, so then it's really:

"Hello, ma'am. We're here to impound your vehicle because the state deemed it and others like to be a horrible death-trap, and you purchased it illegally AFTER it was made illegal to purchase it."

From a legal standpoint, purchasing an illegal item AFTER it became illegal to purchase said item is, in fact, illegal.

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#122 2023-05-12 14:09:03

One of the easiest methods is to limit the manufacture (or import) of new weapons to Single Action only. 

This simply means each round must be individually placed into firing position and the weapon cannot auto-cock.

New weapons being the key word in that sentence.

I would also like to see registration and insurance be required, kinda like the car thing.

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#123 2023-05-12 16:16:09

So you need to change the Constitution to do that.

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#124 2023-05-13 05:04:55

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#125 2023-05-13 19:23:21

I LOL'D:
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#126 2023-05-20 15:39:41

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#127 2023-05-22 00:43:11

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#128 2023-05-26 04:40:46

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#129 2023-05-30 00:59:30

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#130 2023-05-30 05:51:15

Emmeran wrote:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State"

Serve or GTFO!

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#131 2023-06-19 19:13:54

Of Interest:

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#132 2023-06-23 01:38:03

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#133 2023-06-23 02:49:27

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#134 2023-07-14 03:33:45

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#135 2023-07-26 18:47:06

I am okay with guns as you have guessed. Guns and Weirdness not so much.
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#136 2023-07-30 12:26:06

In the GOP world, not everyone should be able to vote, but everyone should be able to buy a gun.
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#137 2023-08-02 00:29:39

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Muh nra bad…..lol f’in schmuck

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#138 2023-08-06 15:16:24

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#139 2023-08-10 18:09:54

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#140 2023-08-20 20:31:55

Worth a look. A liberal case for gun ownership... I promise not to flog this monkey all the time. Really. Please believe me!
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#141 2023-08-22 09:14:35

This individual was not worthy to own a gun.

Also, 1312.

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#142 2023-08-22 17:01:14

Baywolfe wrote:

This individual was not worthy to own a gun.

Also, 1312.

Wow. That was... something.

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#143 2023-08-27 16:11:39

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#144 2023-09-16 15:15:12

Hey, The ACLU covers groups they don't necessarily agree with...
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