Phred... but if the world powers already had agreed that it is torture, and we had signed treaties stating it was torture and we would refrain from it, then why on the word of a couple of hack lawyers, and had advisers who had no background in actual interrogation techniques is it suddenly okay to break numerous agreements?  You read the precedents I sited, now what really is your issue here except to defend at all cost bad decisions by your parties memebers?

Dmtdust wrote:

You read the precedents I sited, now what really is your issue here except to defend at all cost bad decisions by your parties memebers?

And your party's members as well.  Including those who are screaming the loudest.  In addition, there is no such thing as a unilateral agreement.  But that's another whole can of worms.

phreddy wrote:

Dmtdust wrote:

You read the precedents I sited, now what really is your issue here except to defend at all cost bad decisions by your parties memebers?

And your party's members as well.  Including those who are screaming the loudest.  In addition, there is no such thing as a unilateral agreement.  But that's another whole can of worms.

First off, I am an independent, and secondly I wrote that if anyone in this Admin behaved the same way, that prosecuting them as well was a good idea.  Keep Up.

MSG Tripps wrote:

Mancow Muller is full of shit.

This is my first look at this topic as I seem to have missed it all the other times it was near the top.

I didn't need a news article to tell me that.  They left his mouth uncovered for radio talking purposes.  That isn't waterboarding. 

Radio stunt and Olbermann shows what a fucking hack he is for getting behind it.

So, going back through this, is this the thread that sent Zookie over the edge?  Shame on you people.

Geneva Conventions and such.  Bah.  Show me what nation the Taliban pledge allegiance too and I'll check for their signatures on the Geneva accords.  Until then, lock them the fuck up for however long we see fit to pay the bill.  Those guys have never had life so good than at Gitmo.

And here it is in writing:

Scotty wrote:

I agree to be waterboarded by a properly trained interrogator(s) at any time in the future and video taped undergoing said procedure.  If this were accomplished at a Cruel alumni/H-S get together all the better.

The waterboarding he experienced produced a drowning sensation, he said, even if it wasn't an exact re-creation.

How the fuck?  I can close my mouth and sputter out air while someone is pouring water over me as good as anybody.

Fuck this guy.

tojo2000 wrote:

Scotty wrote:

The waterboarding he experienced produced a drowning sensation, he said, even if it wasn't an exact re-creation.

How the fuck?  I can close my mouth and sputter out air while someone is pouring water over me as good as anybody.

Fuck this guy.

That's the deceptive part of the waterboarding, and why people think they can just hold their breath.  You can clear your throat like that, but when the water runs up the back and fills your nasal passages it invokes the panic response.  The excerpt I posted before has a pretty detailed description of what happens.  It's not about inhaling the water.  Actually, I think part of the panic reaction is to seize up your throat muscles, keeping most of the water from getting in, anyway.   Also, it's not that you have to elevate your legs and chest for it to work.  The legs and chest are elevated to keep the lungs from filling up with water so there will be less chance of actually killing your subject.

So how did Sheik Khalid withstand 183 sessions?  You can't tell me he held back the panic for 182 sessions and finally cracked.  I think he just got the message that they weren't going to stop until he squeeled.

"Phreddy, you ignorant slut.  What makes you think he "withstood" 183 sessions?  He didn't have a choice."

Whereas, you can refuse Choad's & my generous offer (actually Choad is just my imaginary assistant in this).  Really though, look up how to do it, and allow yourself to be restrained properly and try it.  Let us know, honestly.

Yer Pal,

Dusty

jesusluvspegging wrote:

Let's say, for a moment, that he told them everything he knew on session 2, and then endured 180 sessions before starting to make shit up.

How can you know?  FMRI lie detector technology ain't there yet.  Do we waterboard this guy every day until he dies for information he may or may not have concerning a crime he may or may not have committed?  How do you tell the signal from the noise?

Particularly considering that the reason why enhanced techniques were approved is because he wasn't giving up the connection between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda.