Tune out the repetitive "music" and actually listen to what he is saying.  The repetitive noise is just a brainwashing technique used by Fascists, Stalinists, and other totalitarian assholes to embed their bullshit in weak minds.

Drone, drone, drone. After a while your conscious mind just gives up and stops trying to provide critical internal dialog and stops analyzing. Then the subconscious can just let the monologue soak in. It works for preachers, infomercials and talk show hosts.

headkicker_girl wrote:

All he's saying, which I could sum up in one sentence, is that other groups try to join the bandwagon on black causes to promote their own agenda, then get angry when blacks don't return the favor because it conflicts with the black agenda.

He's right, but too verbose.

Many blacks just see marriage as a church institution.  They are not opposed to civil unions, but to the idea of gay "marriage."  Gays are angry but without cause.  No black leader solicited gays and said, "if you vote for Obama, we will vote against Prop 8."  Gays just made the assumption and were disappointed.  Were I in California I probably would have voted against Prop 8 but mainly because the state had already married gay people and it just seems silly to close the barn door after the horses are out. 

What he said about white feminists was true also...which is why affirmative action benefits white females more than any other group.  They jumped on the civil rights bandwagon as a way to establish more rights for themselves. Also, there was a big ideological difference in the black and white feminist movements.  Many white women were fighting for the right to work outside the home.  For black women it was just the opposite...they always had to work because neither black men nor women could get good jobs that would allow a man to take care of his family.  Black women were fighting for better opportunities so that jobs would be available that would allow a black man to take care of his family while the wife stayed home. 

The bottom line is that no one formed a coalition. Every group is self interested and will always do what is best for that group.  Sometimes it pays off; sometimes it doesnt't.

You surprise me Headkicker.  I would expect you to see the need to look at a broader picture.  Blacks opposed anti-miscegenation laws, not because they wanted to jump into bed with Whites, but because these laws defined them as lesser and other.  As much as I don’t care for race mixing, I oppose the government having a hand in determining appropriate relationships.  Many jurisdictions in the South refused to grant licenses for Blacks to marry each other, which then denied couples the legal protections of a recognized marriage. Once the government is in the business of deciding which relationships are wrong, you set the groundwork for society engaging in forced matchmaking.  India? Caste System? Honor killings for people who choose their preferred partners?  Gay marriage in and of itself has nothing to do with the interests of the larger Black community, but defining Gay people as second-class citizens opens the door keeps the door open for discrimination against Black people.

I understand the difference between White women wanting to get out of the house and Black women wanting to go home.  But women decide between a career and stay at home motherhood on an individual, not a racial basis.  And women who are able to stay at home with their children are foolish to oppose workplace equality for other women, because tomorrow they may find they have to enter the workplace.

Just because someone else’s rights are not immediately relevant to your own or your group’s situation isn’t a good reason to oppose them.  White women, Jews and Gay people did support civil rights for Black people with an eye on their own long-term interests; one would expect Blacks to show the same cynical self-interest in regard to other disadvantaged groups.  By not doing so, Blacks have shown themselves to be unreliable partners and will pay a huge price in the form of passive non-support from their former allies.

Last edited by fnord (2009-06-01 14:54:43)

headkicker_girl wrote:

Fnord -- black people are very religious.

...and it's not helping.

headkicker_girl wrote:

God helps those who help themselves.  Anyone waiting on religion to solve their problems is in trouble.

Canigetta A-MEN!

Decadence wrote:

Head-Kick wrote:

Homosexuality is still not widely accepted in the black community . . .

Which is rather surprising considering that most "rap music" (And, I use the term "Music" quite "liberally" here) seems to be about how much they want to suck each other's cocks.

Keep it on the DL.

Come on, now. Everybody knows 50 cent and Jay Z love the cock.

In regards to convicts:

I always wondered how you can fuck a bunch of dudes in the ass, and then claim you aren't a homosexual. Not talking about any particular race, just convicts in general.

In my opinion, if a guy pushes another guys poo in, he is (at least) bisexual.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.