It's very important that our hired killers have no access to alcohol, porn, or tobacco.  That way they have absolutely no down time so they never lose that psychotic edge.

In all seriousness, though, I think this is what comes of allowing the military to become so filled with evangelical Christian nutters.  (Don't ask me how this state of affairs could have been avoided, because I don't have an answer.)

There's more than one group of nutters going into the service.  No doubt about that.  I think you'll probably find a respectable overlap between the two groups in question.

Last edited by jesusluvspegging (2009-07-10 19:33:13)

George Orr wrote:

Don't assume there's no overlap between those two groups.

Logistically for sure, however supremacists would like to abort plenty of babies.

jesusluvspegging wrote:

Muslim

They are johnny come late to the supremacist way of thinking.  They have other targets with older priority.

All this is well and good.  It does not explain why a soldier should not light up during a fire fight and/or after.

Last edited by MSG Tripps (2009-07-10 20:07:17)

jesusluvspegging wrote:

Christian Moralists

My experience in the past is that it is more of a PC sort of thing.

Not to me.

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There are no atheist or non-smokers in a free-fire zone;  just doesn't happen.   They'll just by them from the local black market or wifey will send them from the states.

Oh - and all the military chicks start putting out as soon as the ballon goes up, it's a fucking pussy-fest.

Emmeran wrote:

atheist

You have most of the rest correct.

ah297900 wrote:

I don't like it when people suggest that my principles are only good until I am put under duress.

Most of the "faithful" think that way; that's why they believe everyone else does.

How could anyone in a foxhole believe in a just and benevolent god?

MSG Tripps wrote:

Fuck you and the fap you rode in on.

Why So Sensitive?

opsec wrote:

orangeplus wrote:

How could anyone in a foxhole believe in a just and benevolent god?

Just and benevolent is great marketing, but makes for pretty shitty gods.  I prefer a god with a battle plan.

Any "god" that has to engage in battles is a pretty half-assed god.

Look - nice ideas and all folks; but it is what it is - you are scared out of your mind, you pray, smoke, fuck, drink and do whatever.  You suddenly understand that there is a very good chance that there might not be a tomorrow and the rules change.

Try it, you won't like it.




Otherwise shut your cowardly-ass shit-talking pie-holes until you have earned a C.A.R.

jesusluvspegging wrote:

opsec wrote:

orangeplus wrote:

How could anyone in a foxhole believe in a just and benevolent god?

Just and benevolent is great marketing, but makes for pretty shitty gods.  I prefer a god with a battle plan.

Any "god" that has to engage in battles is a pretty half-assed god.

Thor thinks you're a pussy.

Tall Paul wrote:

jesusluvspegging wrote:

MSG Tripps wrote:

Logistically for sure, however supremacists would like to abort plenty of babies.

Since when has being a fundamentalist Christian meant that you couldn't be a total hypocrite? 

One possible line of reasoning: aborting babies of Muslim parents would prevent said babies from going to hell, since they'd never have the chance to follow the Devil's false religion.

Nice thought, but since babies are babies since the instant of conception, all aborted babies go to hell because they are unbaptised.

No, I think you're confusing Catholics with Christians in general and hell with limbo, but modern Catholic theologians don't believe that either. 

Survey says?   XXX

jesusluvspegging wrote:

MSG Tripps wrote:

George Orr wrote:

Don't assume there's no overlap between those two groups.

Logistically for sure, however supremacists would like to abort plenty of babies.

Since when has being a fundamentalist Christian meant that you couldn't be a total hypocrite? 

One possible line of reasoning: aborting babies of Muslim parents would prevent said babies from going to hell, since they'd never have the chance to follow the Devil's false religion.

I have to correct you.

The fundy church I grew up in teaches that if the PARENTS aren't SAVED Christians, then the baby goes to hell. period.

ptah13 wrote:

tojo2000 wrote:

Tall Paul wrote:

Nice thought, but since babies are babies since the instant of conception, all aborted babies go to hell because they are unbaptised.

No, I think you're confusing Catholics with Christians in general and hell with limbo, but modern Catholic theologians don't believe that either. 

Survey says?   XXX

Sorry, but according to the nutjob fundy church (with about 3500 in attendance every week, and a K-12 school) I went to says if your parents aren't saved Christians, and you are too young to be saved yourself, and you die, you burn in hell for all eternity.

They did a whole entire play about it. Here is a link to the story on the play:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s … 27s_Flames

Even granting that there is a denomination that believes that, it's probably not because the babies weren't baptized, and even if that is also true, that just means that there is a denomination out there that believes that, not that this is a property of being a fundamentalist Christian. 

Pedantry FATALITY!

MSG Tripps wrote:

Dmtdust wrote:

fap fap fap fap

Why So Sensitive?

I'm not.  Would not want you to hurt yourself exercising your right to fap.

Nothing here that I could ever disagree with, including kids being told about their... rights.

tojo2000 wrote:

ptah13 wrote:

tojo2000 wrote:

No, I think you're confusing Catholics with Christians in general and hell with limbo, but modern Catholic theologians don't believe that either. 

Survey says?   XXX

Sorry, but according to the nutjob fundy church (with about 3500 in attendance every week, and a K-12 school) I went to says if your parents aren't saved Christians, and you are too young to be saved yourself, and you die, you burn in hell for all eternity.

They did a whole entire play about it. Here is a link to the story on the play:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s … 27s_Flames

Even granting that there is a denomination that believes that, it's probably not because the babies weren't baptized, and even if that is also true, that just means that there is a denomination out there that believes that, not that this is a property of being a fundamentalist Christian. 

Pedantry FATALITY!

Seriously, my good man, do a google search on the play I mentioned. I really think your idea of "fundy Christian" is somehow a "rose-colored glasses" thing.

The play specifically addresses this issue. Parents are looking at their baby, and they are talking about how they "consider themselves 'Christians'" (but don't go to church) and then the baby dies and Satan shows up and has demons cart the baby off to hell.

This is a play is a-typical Evangelicalism, at it's core root.

Yeah, if you go to a "mainstream" Christian church, you don't have these crazy views forced on you but I've been to several "charismatic" Christian churches (and Baptist ones, as well) who all would agree that if the parents aren't saved Christians and the baby dies, the baby is held accountable and goes to Hell. They taught the same thing at the two "Bible camps" I went to, growing up, and at any number of "revivals" I've been to.

If you think this is just a few wack-o's going to some "Church" service held in a barn, you're sorely mistaken.

It is funny how mainstream Christians have no clue how many fundie-wack-jobs there are, and how many Churches preach these fundy beliefs.

I might note, the Church I went to, again, had seating for almost 4k, not counting the 8 Bible study halls, the dining hall, kitchen and Church offices. I know that isn't a "mega-church" but when you consider, in the 3 miles it is from my house, I pass 3-4 other equally-sized or larger Churches that, I know for a fact, all preach the same ideas.

Evangicals and Pentecostals (those who believe this kind of nonsense) claim worldwide numbers of over 400 million +. So to say this is a "fringe" group is naive.

jesusluvspegging wrote:

Ptah's dead right on this one, tojo me lad.

wow...

This one is going up on Ptah's Screenshot H.O.F.!!!


Back to the point- I'm from Indiana. I really don't think people, who have spent most of their lives on either coast, have any idea what people from the rest of the country are like and what they think/believe.

Not that they care, either. haha

Last edited by ptah13 (2009-07-13 19:01:09)

Bigcat wrote:

As a fire fight survivor, I feel smoking while the battle actually is going on adds some un-needed danger. Hell, I've nearly swerved off the road driving a car while lighting up.

Good point.  They should give our troops Dexedrine inhalers or Stim Packs so they can power up without a decrease in combat effectiveness.

Until you show me hard data that a majority of fundies don't believe in hellbound babies, I'm going to go with my personal experience on this matter, which is that you are wrong.

tojo2000 wrote:

jesusluvspegging wrote:

Until you show me hard data that a majority of fundies don't believe in hellbound babies, I'm going to go with my personal experience on this matter, which is that you are wrong.

Majority has nothing to do with it.  I conceded that I could be wrong about the relative prevalence of burning babies (hmm, there's the start of a band name) a long time ago.  I'm going to stop trying to explain now, I'm obviously not communicating clearly, and I don't actually care.  Mostly I wanted to tell you to lick my balls because I thought it was funny. 

Now lick 'em, peg-boy!  Turn my groin sweat into wine!

I love how y'all just blindly accept both of the claims in my user name as though they're equally valid.  Never change, High Street.

Last edited by jesusluvspegging (2009-07-13 22:56:53)