#2 2009-06-09 12:40:17
But they are bracing for cuts that would slash benefits to the lowest levels since the late 1990s, when CalWORKs began as part of the federal government's bold reform of the welfare system.
Gee, that was right when we started going broke....
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#3 2009-06-09 15:39:41
Mexico, Canada and other states in America should prepare for a flood of low class migrants from California if welfare is cut.
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#4 2009-06-09 15:51:50
fnord wrote:
Mexico, Canada and other states in America should prepare for a flood of low class migrants from California if welfare is cut.
That's already been happening. Ask the folks in Colorado.
'Course, you're talking about the "low class" welfare crowd, and I'm talking about the "low class" cracker-ass McMansion-building tax-dodging human locusts who ruined CA and are now in the process of ruining several states to the east.
Sadly, it's too late to build a wall.
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#5 2009-06-09 15:55:44
California is a paradise lost thanks to both the rich and the poor parasites who sucked it dry.
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#6 2009-06-09 19:00:58
Dusty, you don't know how close you are to the truth. My wife works for Calworks. They are all in a panic down there. Normally, if we are talking about cutting social programs, I start giggling, but Calworks is designed to get these career welfare recipients back into the workforce. There is no talk of cutting off the welfare benefits, just the program that would put them back to work.
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#7 2009-06-09 19:07:03
For nothing other than a great experiment, I'd love to see what would happen to a State that had no welfare system.
Considering what fnord already pointed out- that people may just move to another state - the experiment would be a little tainted.
Still, it'd be great to almost settle once and for all the question of "can we survive as a society without welfare?". It'd be great to see if people got jobs or withered and died in the streets.
...but if what Phred said is true, it's all for naught. I say cut the payments.
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#8 2009-06-09 19:35:30
I’m not opposed to welfare per se. There are decent people who get bad breaks in life and need help. I’m just pissed off about people who deliberately set out to make living on the dole their career. These assholes are the ones who screw up what should be a safety net that any civilized society provides for its less fortunate members.
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#9 2009-06-09 19:42:06
California has a five year lifetime limit on cash aid. Calworks picks many of them up as they are nearing the end of their gravy train. Quite a few of the people my wife sees are cursing themselves for not using the time to learn a skill or trade. But without Calworks, these people would never learn how to dress for work, fill out a resume, or even set the alarm clock. If they cut this program, we'll be stepping over them in the streets.
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#10 2009-06-09 19:51:46
phreddy wrote:
California has a five year lifetime limit on cash aid. Calworks picks many of them up as they are nearing the end of their gravy train. Quite a few of the people my wife sees are cursing themselves for not using the time to learn a skill or trade. But without Calworks, these people would never learn how to dress for work, fill out a resume, or even set the alarm clock. If they cut this program, we'll be stepping over them in the streets.
So the 5 years they're on cash aid they don't have to develop job skills? What a way to create an parasitic underclass.
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#11 2009-06-09 20:20:43
raoul.duke wrote:
Still, it'd be great to almost settle once and for all the question of "can we survive as a society without welfare?".
Read Dickens.
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#12 2009-06-09 20:27:42
ah297900 wrote:
raoul.duke wrote:
Still, it'd be great to almost settle once and for all the question of "can we survive as a society without welfare?".
Read Dickens.
I'll take Darwin over Dickens in this instance.
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#13 2009-06-09 20:28:19
phreddy wrote:
California has a five year lifetime limit on cash aid. Calworks picks many of them up as they are nearing the end of their gravy train. Quite a few of the people my wife sees are cursing themselves for not using the time to learn a skill or trade. But without Calworks, these people would never learn how to dress for work, fill out a resume, or even set the alarm clock. If they cut this program, we'll be stepping over them in the streets.
I just can't imagine those are "learned" skills, with the exception of the learning disabled.
I imagine they're more along the lines of "things you have to ram down the throats of the ignorant".
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#14 2009-06-09 20:30:43
raoul.duke wrote:
"things you have to ram down the throats of the ignorant".
Welcome back Duke!
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#15 2009-06-09 20:39:50
opsec wrote:
raoul.duke wrote:
"things you have to ram down the throats of the ignorant".
Welcome back Duke!
Well, thanks.
Glad to see you're still kicking, too. You dropped off of cruel before I dropped off of here. Thought you had gone the way of the permanent majority.
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#16 2009-06-09 20:59:33
phreddy wrote:
Dusty, you don't know how close you are to the truth. My wife works for Calworks. They are all in a panic down there. Normally, if we are talking about cutting social programs, I start giggling, but Calworks is designed to get these career welfare recipients back into the workforce. There is no talk of cutting off the welfare benefits, just the program that would put them back to work.
I knew you had to be vested in some of this stuff living where you do in Aryan's Playground... You're married? Got kids? My minds picture of you has just shifted 90 degrees.. (not so, being dramatic)
I hope they don't drop that program, hells bells, they should just legalize all drugs, prostitution and gambling and take their cut. It could be "Libertarian Nation"(tm). Heh.
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#17 2009-06-09 21:34:04
raoul.duke wrote:
Glad to see you're still kicking, too. You dropped off of cruel before I dropped off of here. Thought you had gone the way of the permanent majority.
Nope, still in the permanent minority. I suspect a lot of old timers lurk and post infrequently.
raoul.duke wrote:
phreddy wrote:
California has a five year lifetime limit on cash aid. Calworks picks many of them up as they are nearing the end of their gravy train.
Dmtdust wrote:
I hope they don't drop that program, hells bells, they should just legalize all drugs, prostitution and gambling and take their cut. It could be "Libertarian Nation"(tm). Heh.
5 Years. 5 fucking years on the tit and NOW we start training them?!
While I fully support Dusty's legislative efforts toward the taxation of currently illegal enterprises, I feel that a tax on stupidity would be far more lucrative.
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#18 2009-06-09 21:48:30
I prefer to start at the beginning ala the European (not Britain's) method. You out of work? We have a nice park to clean up, and there are lots of projects in cleaning up the city....
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#19 2009-06-09 22:38:38
opsec wrote:
So the 5 years they're on cash aid they don't have to develop job skills? What a way to create an parasitic underclass.
I think they prefer to be called "Democrats".
I know, I know, the whole "P.C." bullshit gets to me, too.
[size=6]edit: I'm not sure if you people have noticed, but I really am done with the whole political flame war stuff, anyway. (I know, I know, most of you could give a shit less.) I just couldn't resist on that message by Ops. (He sets them up, I knock them down!)
To be quite honest, I hope Obama accomplishes all kinds of wonderful things and goes down as a great president.
Not that anyone cares, but I consider myself fiscally conservative, pro small-government. I care about the environment (in almost allcases, over and above any big-business). I believe that what I do in the privacy of my own home is none of the government, or anyone else's business (with the exception of any action that somehow violates another person's rights, ex- making kiddy-porn).
That's how I feel. I know 95% of the people on here share many opinions that conflict with mine. Shoot, 1/2 my friends have STRONG left-wing opinons, and we all love each-other. The truth is, for the most part, the folks of High-Street are really smart, funny and pleasant to "be around" (well, as much as you can consider hanging on a message board "hanging around").
Just trying to say, you guys are all-right by me. Even that cop who took his toys and split.[=size]
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#20 2009-06-09 23:09:03
Dmtdust wrote:
I prefer to start at the beginning ala the European (not Britain's) method. You out of work? We have a nice park to clean up, and there are lots of projects in cleaning up the city....
Agreed.
There is always something that needs to be cleaned-up or painted.
Both tasks require virtually no training, skill or experience.
If you have some physical disability that prevents you from performing this task, then you must provide documentation to verify.
If you have a mental disability that claims the performing of painting or picking up trash is dangerous, you should be put on one of those leashes with a long pole, like they used on the human slaves on Planet of the Apes. If the situation is real bad (like you have some schizophrenia* that will occasionally make you flip out and beat yourself and others when equipped with painting equipment) then the pole-choker should be equipped to provide a non-lethal electrical charge, for your own safety (nobody wants you to injure yourself, that wouldn't be right).
* (wow, I just spelled that right, that's a first for me!!!)
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#21 2009-06-09 23:11:33
Ok, so yeah I can still type a shitload of stuff.
What can I say, I like you guys.
Some day you can say, "hey, I knew Ptah! NO, no, for real, I really did! I can PROVE it, I have some screen shots of his posts on the internet on Iphone!"
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#22 2009-06-10 00:10:28
Snow-Ball wrote:
'Course, you're talking about the "low class" welfare crowd . . .
You do realize that I can hear you, don't you?
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#23 2009-06-10 00:38:16
opsec wrote:
ah297900 wrote:
raoul.duke wrote:
Still, it'd be great to almost settle once and for all the question of "can we survive as a society without welfare?".
Read Dickens.
I'll take Darwin over Dickens in this instance.
Darwin? "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change." - Charles Darwin and this for all the social "types" happily misquoting etc ad nauseam http://books.google.com/books?id=_a41R8 … t&resnum=7
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#24 2009-06-10 00:40:22
“In the long history of humankind (and animal kind, too) those who learned to collaborate and improvise most effectively have prevailed” - Charles Darwin
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