#1 2007-11-06 11:57:26

Hey all,
Just to keep you up to date, we received a copyright notice for an image on the picture thread that does not die. I have deleted the image in question (and 3 others in my not-quite-awake state that also had copyright notices on the image on that same page). I think this is the best way forward on this sort of thing. If we get a notice on a specific issue, we take the image down. I have no desire to preemptively knock down copyrighted images, but I also have no desire to have to explain to a lawyer why that particular image of a man showing a lava-lamp up is already distended anus is a matter of free-use and the 1st amendment (even if it is.) We're trying to have fun here, not strike a blow against the man. Comments on my actions are welcome.

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#2 2007-11-06 11:59:43

what were the 3 other images?

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#3 2007-11-06 12:00:24

sic

Can we get descriptions of the offending pics, so as not to repeat the error in the future?  Also, I'd be interested if I was the perp for infringement...I haven't had an original idea since aught-three!

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#4 2007-11-06 12:01:19

Prudent.  Fair use or not, I'd rather see us lose a few images than become entangled in a legal shitstorm.

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#5 2007-11-06 12:01:35

One was porn, one was a fat guy with spikes on his head, and I can't remember the other one. All had visible copyright notices on them. I deleted them since I couldn't figure out which one was his, and I'm not quite in my proper head. Even to the point that I intended to have submitted this to the moderator board.

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#6 2007-11-06 12:03:33

I'd like to extend a warm and hearty fuck you to the pissed off parties.

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#7 2007-11-06 12:04:09

HAHAH.  I wonder how the person found out that someone here was using his image?

That is what interests me most.  Someone must really monitor their server logs.

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#8 2007-11-06 12:04:26

sic

orangeplus wrote:

One was porn,...

Thanks for narrowing it down...

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#9 2007-11-06 12:06:02

sic wrote:

Can we get descriptions of the offending pics, so as not to repeat the error in the future?  Also, I'd be interested if I was the perp for infringement...I haven't had an original idea since aught-three!

The actual artist who requested the takedown is Diable. Nobody give him any shit, please! He's well within his rights to ask for the takedown and he did it properly, not making idiot threats or anything, so no revenge seekers please!

I believe the image in question were leather fags in a dungeon sort of thing, but dude does all sorts of pornish. He does add Diable copyright notices to his work, so if you see that mark, don't post it. Like I said, the dude went about it the right way and we should respect him for it.

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#10 2007-11-06 12:07:24

sic wrote:

orangeplus wrote:

One was porn,...

Thanks for narrowing it down...

Yeah, I know, but there's a good bit of generic porn on this thread, it won't be missed. I do regret deleting the fat guy with the spikes, he was cool.

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#11 2007-11-06 12:12:15

sic

orangeplus wrote:

.... I do regret deleting the fat guy with the spikes, he was cool.

When I'm not at work, I'll search for images of "fat guy with spikes" and see if there is anything we can replace it with!

Thanks for keeping the board out of litigation, by the way.  It is greatly appreciated.

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#12 2007-11-06 12:14:42

GOD DAMNIT STOP POSTING PORN IN THE NORMAL LINKS!  NOW I CNA"T READ THIS THREADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

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#13 2007-11-06 12:15:05

I meant:

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#14 2007-11-06 12:17:30

Removed image due to RT's employment.

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#15 2007-11-06 12:19:09

Thank you!  Thank you very much.  I don't care if the pics show up in threads where I can discern there will likely be pr0n.  But surprise pr0n isn't good for my work career.

Kisses,

Woggah.

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#16 2007-11-06 12:21:39

Guess the mail issue hasn't yet resolved itself or I'd seen this too.

So we got poked by Puerto Rican Pollack for links to his site?

I'm glad you acted on this but we should probably toss offenders onto the Questionable pile and at least talk tough before deleting next time.

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#17 2007-11-06 12:25:03

orangeplus wrote:

Comments on my actions are welcome.

I agree that they should be taken down if we are asked.  We're not trying to make a point; we're just trying to kill some time.

If I wanted to make a point, I'd refuse to show my receipt at the exit of a Circuit City.

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#18 2007-11-06 12:26:39

Did he mention how he found the site/banner?  I'm curious.  It's not like the person who made the banner linked back to his webpage...

Curious.  Please answer!

Choad, I would agree with an immediate removal due to obvious copyright issues especially if the 'asker' can prove it and asks nicely.  Why wouldn't we remove it?  I mean come on, as an artist, and photographer, if someone uses my shit and doesn't at least ask first, I will come with guns blazing if it isn't removed after a pleasant request.

Since you are someone who thinks we should protect our intellectual property, I can't imagine we should be having any sort of discussion as to talking tough to people who choose to protect their rights to their photographic properties.  It's a no brainer.  If it's theirs, and they ask, then remove it.

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#19 2007-11-06 12:27:35

choad wrote:

I'm glad you acted on this but we should probably toss offenders onto the Questionable pile and at least talk tough before deleting next time.

Not at this point...it's not worth it.  Besides, I'm thinking that at some point people will be begging for a link on our site, because good or bad, it will push traffic to their own.  I did in fact purchase the crappy Jesus/Bush pillow for my kid which I would have never discovered had it not been for cruel.

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#20 2007-11-06 12:29:16

Hey... I chase assholes every few months on Ebay, and on other sites for using my images to make money, or claiming of...

I try not to post stuff with cr on it, or website addys, though the latter isn't always possible...

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#21 2007-11-06 12:33:14

headkicker_girl wrote:

Not at this point...it's not worth it.

Good but this does deserve discussion.

If, for insistence, Rogers Cadenhead turns around and demands we stop using the slogan, "The Web's Bitter Afterbirth" - and I suspect he already has - what do we tell him?

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#22 2007-11-06 12:35:49

Roger_That wrote:

Did he mention how he found the site/banner?  I'm curious.  It's not like the person who made the banner linked back to his webpage...

Curious.  Please answer!

I didn't ask, and really have no desire to get into a back and forth with him on how he 'busted' us. There are several organizations out there that troll for copyrighted materials using different means, even as dull as just google'ing the filename and checking the hits. He might also have watermarks on his images that can be automatically discerned through processing the image. Not a terribly difficult thing to do. Since he wrote me at a little after 8 this morning, I would expect that he subscribes to a service that trolls for his watermarks and he gets reports of offenders every morning and sends his boilerplate takedown notice. But that's just a guess from a guy who gets a stack of reports every morning.

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#23 2007-11-06 12:36:50

choad wrote:

If, for insistence, Rogers Cadenhead turns around and demands we stop using the slogan, "The Web's Bitter Afterbirth" - and I suspect he already has - what do we tell him?

Then we replace the slogan with "Rogers Cadenhead's bitter afterbirth"

Why do you suspect he has?

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#24 2007-11-06 12:37:50

choad wrote:

If, for insistence, Rogers Cadenhead turns around and demands we stop using the slogan, "The Web's Bitter Afterbirth" - and I suspect he already has - what do we tell him?

What?  Why would you suspect that?  Rogers has always seemed to be pretty supportive of us miscreants trying to keep something alive...

Besides his copyright is on Web's Bitter Aftertaste.  2 diff words and ideas if you ask me.

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#25 2007-11-06 12:38:48

choad wrote:

headkicker_girl wrote:

Not at this point...it's not worth it.

Good but this does deserve discussion.

If, for insistence, Rogers Cadenhead turns around and demands we stop using the slogan, "The Web's Bitter Afterbirth" - and I suspect he already has - what do we tell him?

I think we are bright enough to come up with a new slogan.

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#26 2007-11-06 12:40:28

orangeplus wrote:

I didn't ask, and really have no desire to get into a back and forth with him on how he 'busted' us. There are several organizations out there that troll for copyrighted materials using different means, even as dull as just google'ing the filename and checking the hits. He might also have watermarks on his images that can be automatically discerned through processing the image. Not a terribly difficult thing to do. Since he wrote me at a little after 8 this morning, I would expect that he subscribes to a service that trolls for his watermarks and he gets reports of offenders every morning and sends his boilerplate takedown notice. But that's just a guess from a guy who gets a stack of reports every morning.

So someone left the watermark/copyright notice up, instead of blurring it out a bit or making it otherwise less troll-able. So really, people pay to have some tard troll the internet looking for abuse of their images? 

The reason I was curious is because finding this place doesn't seem to be a very easy thing to do right now.  Not like we come up in google image searches yet.

I just wasn't aware of the places that troll for copyrights.  News to me. 

Anyways, I didn't expect you would email him and ask how he figured it out, I was just curious to see if he mentioned it in the original email.

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#27 2007-11-06 12:42:24

Well, while we're hashing this out, why does the cruel blurb link to cruel.com (which goes straight to drudge?).  I'm not sure why cruel needs to be mentioned at all, it means nothing to noobs, and cade isn't exactly giving us front billing anywhere.

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#28 2007-11-06 12:45:40

opsec wrote:

Well, while we're hashing this out, why does the cruel blurb link to cruel.com (which goes straight to drudge?).  I'm not sure why cruel needs to be mentioned at all, it means nothing to noobs, and cade isn't exactly giving us front billing anywhere.

I think we need to have a backpage "meeting" with Rcade and sort all of this out.

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#29 2007-11-06 12:46:16

sic

headkicker_girl wrote:

...I did in fact purchase the crappy Jesus/Bush pillow for my kid which I would have never discovered had it not been for cruel...

That has got to put you on some odd mailing lists...Oh, and it was from High-Street, not Cruel.  Credit for credits sake.

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#30 2007-11-06 12:46:18

Roger_That wrote:

So someone left the watermark/copyright notice up, instead of blurring it out a bit or making it otherwise less troll-able. So really, people pay to have some tard troll the internet looking for abuse of their images? 

The reason I was curious is because finding this place doesn't seem to be a very easy thing to do right now.  Not like we come up in google image searches yet.

The watermark would be steganographic in the image and not visible. So the only way to get rid of it would be by changing the images' format, and even then, I don't know. Digimarc, I believe, will create watermarks for you and troll for them.

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#31 2007-11-06 12:48:01

orangeplus wrote:

Then we replace the slogan with "Rogers Cadenhead's bitter afterbirth"

Why do you suspect he has?

What he said was ambiguous and might have meant something else. At the time, I said nothing and complied.

Ok, look, this will happen again and tediously often, I imagine. Next time, no questions, just delete?

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#32 2007-11-06 12:48:28

opsec wrote:

Well, while we're hashing this out, why does the cruel blurb link to cruel.com (which goes straight to drudge?).  I'm not sure why cruel needs to be mentioned at all, it means nothing to noobs, and cade isn't exactly giving us front billing anywhere.

THANKS!  I thought the same.  I just noticed it yesterday.  It should link to here, or not link at all.

And what is "Sofie's Choice"?  Also likely meaningless to n00bs.

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#33 2007-11-06 12:49:32

orangeplus wrote:

The watermark would be steganographic in the image and not visible. So the only way to get rid of it would be by changing the images' format, and even then, I don't know. Digimarc, I believe, will create watermarks for you and troll for them.

Ahh...yes.  Digimarc.  I forgot all about that.  I didn't know people actually used that. Heh.  I don't know any pro photographers that do.  But then again, they are smart enough to not put high res images up on the web without requiring payment to view them first.

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#34 2007-11-06 12:51:00

choad wrote:

What he said was ambiguous and might have meant something else. At the time, I said nothing and complied.

Ok, look, this will happen again and tediously often, I imagine. Next time, no questions, just delete?

Has anyone actually heard from Rogers as of late?  He hasn't responded to my email..even to say "nope, not going to happen". 

And it doesn't look like he's been on here for awhile.

I wouldn't mind knowing his stance on us using some of the former Cruel-ism ideas and such in order to attract like minded guests.

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#35 2007-11-06 12:51:53

Roger_That wrote:

opsec wrote:

Well, while we're hashing this out, why does the cruel blurb link to cruel.com (which goes straight to drudge?).  I'm not sure why cruel needs to be mentioned at all, it means nothing to noobs, and cade isn't exactly giving us front billing anywhere.

THANKS!  I thought the same.  I just noticed it yesterday.  It should link to here, or not link at all.

And what is "Sofie's Choice"?  Also likely meaningless to n00bs.

It's a movie with Meryl Streep. And my username.

In other PHP sites, it is usually used to post an "image of the moment".

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#36 2007-11-06 12:53:52

Roger_That wrote:

And what is "Sofie's Choice"?  Also likely meaningless to n00bs.

Opsec, where's that Smitty money shot you're hiding?

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#37 2007-11-06 12:53:53

Well maybe we should have an image of the moment.  Instead of a link back to Drudge...

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#38 2007-11-06 12:57:27

choad wrote:

Opsec, where's that Smitty money shot you're hiding?

No money shots as yet.  I need a telephoto.

Fortunately, as I was surfing late last night, I *did* finally find accurate targeting coordinates.   

Points at RT and laughs.  You should know better!

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#39 2007-11-06 12:58:16

Roger_That wrote:

Well maybe we should have an image of the moment.  Instead of a link back to Drudge...

That would be nice. We have plenty to choose from.

Now I think I'm going back to bed.

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#40 2007-11-06 12:58:20

Just so long as Tub Girl and Goatsie don't come after us...

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#41 2007-11-06 12:58:44

opsec wrote:

Points at RT and laughs.  You should know better!

I didn't start it!  He did!  He found the page, made the comment, and sent it to me.  I had to defend my territories, yo.  The empire must rest soundly you know.

I would have never red-bullseyed myself.

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#42 2007-11-06 13:02:55

Rest easy, it's all safely stored in my fortress-like data warehouse (a thumb drive). 

I haven't used any of that info since the infamous Meg Kelso beatdown.

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#44 2007-11-06 13:15:34

"Red Cross?!  I thought it was a target marker!!!"

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#45 2007-11-06 13:17:27

I don't care if stuff is meaningless to noobs, we want noobs, but this is our place first. Actually, I would prefer to just drop the left hand column alltogether, both the menu and the sofie's. It's not a huge issue to me, but would allow us to put stuff on a right hand column (ads) that are easier to ignore, and it would remove the recurring problem of people accidentally posting here instead of to Back Room or Questionable, since the "Post Topic" link on the left only posts to High Street. All the menu items we need are on the top bar anyway.

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#46 2007-11-06 13:18:10

Sounds good to me, orange.

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#47 2007-11-06 13:21:15

orangeplus wrote:

I don't care if stuff is meaningless to noobs, we want noobs, but this is our place first. Actually, I would prefer to just drop the left hand column alltogether, both the menu and the sofie's.

That box was a place holder for left column ads but change it, by all means, whenever you get the chance.

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#48 2007-11-06 13:22:23

orangeplus wrote:

All the menu items we need are on the top bar anyway.

Except one.  Contact Us.  There's currently no easy way for users to contact the responder list.

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#49 2007-11-06 13:24:06

opsec wrote:

orangeplus wrote:

All the menu items we need are on the top bar anyway.

Except one.  Contact Us.  There's currently no easy way for users to contact the responder list.

It's actually at the bottom of the page. But you are correct, damn you, I'll do something about that.

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#50 2007-11-06 13:24:39

opsec wrote:

orangeplus wrote:

All the menu items we need are on the top bar anyway.

Except one.  Contact Us.  There's currently no easy way for users to contact the responder list.

ALSO: Your banner uploader is fucking awesome. Everyone should see that.

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