phreddy wrote:

If anyone really believes that the government is not going to ration health care and prioritize based on age, just read this article about Obama's chief health care advisor, Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, Rahm's brother and Dr. Mengele's clone.

And just remember two things:
1.  You too will be old one day.
2.  Some day in the future it won't Obama running health care, it could be Carl Rove, or even Sarah Palin.  Now do you still think the government should have total control over who gets care?

Phreddy, phreddy, phreddy

You seem to want to remain oblivious to is the fact that this is how it is now.  Nothing will change if you are poor you will get shitty health care and it will be rationed.  If you don't like it, well - just go make some more money and you can have better health care.

Just like it is now Here, Britain, France, Germany, Japan, etc, etc.

Decadence wrote:

Emmeran wrote:

Nothing will change if you are poor you will get shitty health care and it will be rationed.  If you don't like it, well - just go make some more money and you can have better health care.

Just like it is now Here, Britain, France, Germany, Japan, etc, etc.

Okay, I know fuck-all about Japan (Out-Side of tentacle pornography obviously); But, are you seriously trying to com-pare our cur-rent health care system with those in Britian and France?  Really, dude?  You're going to try to pull that one still?

No, all I'm pointing out is that you will get what you pay for in both places - and if you don't like what you get then earn some fucking money and buy better care.  That won't change with the public option....

Decadence wrote:

fnord wrote:

Using the fact that the VA gets the bottom of the barrel doctors to work for them is hardly a good reason to deny reforming the system to provide better access to health care.

There are actually some rather good physicians in the VA medical system.  The "Fuck-Tard Equation" is much higher in active-duty military hospitals though (For the reasons previously stated - Why stay on active-duty as a physician when you can earn four times as much in the "private sector" {Yeah, I am Marxist; But, I'm all-so a realist}).

Well, yes and no. The scholarship that is awarded to physicians that allow them to serve three years and have their entire medical school loans forgiven is extremely competitive. The military attracts some of the brightest students in each specialty. However, they are inexperienced and usually unmotivated during the three years that they are paying back their debt. Any motivation that they have coming in to the system (starting up new programs, getting new equipment, etc.) is usually quickly extinguished after dealing with the endless red tape. It usually takes about six months for all life blood to get sucked out of the new guys.

This is what I was talking about earlier. I have seen unmotivated and lazy military doctors become outstanding private physicians time and time again. Once there is freedom to  control their own practice, the motivation kicks in.

BTW, many of the physicians that stay in the military after their three years usually fall in to one of three categories:

1. Puts country before self
2. Not confident going out on their own. Prefers the protective shell that the military provides
3. Too damn weird or stupid to find a job on the outside (and they know it)

Em wrote:

Phreddy, phreddy, phreddy

You seem to want to remain oblivious to is the fact that this is how it is now.  Nothing will change if you are poor you will get shitty health care and it will be rationed.  If you don't like it, well - just go make some more money and you can have better health care.

Just like it is now Here, Britain, France, Germany, Japan, etc, etc.

If this was only the case.  Fact is the rich from all these countries come to the US for first class treatment.  If we fuck up our system, where do we go?  Of course there will be high end clinics somewhere in the world, but normal middle class folks like us who presently have excellent care aren't going to be visiting them.  The so-called public option is merely the foot in the door for a universal government system with no private options.  Obama said it himself back before he started lying about this latest scam.

Would anyone really object if I added a small javascript to remove any "-" characters in Decaslash's posts? I promise not to bother anyone else's.

And, I've been re-ferencing olde English for years now.  Why the sudden hatred (Why so serious)?

Last edited by Decadence (2009-08-29 11:58:05)

tojo2000 wrote:

You do realize that while it's easy to find complaints about the VA, year after year it outscores private health insurance in customer satisfaction, don't you?

The VA is all right.  I have been through some fairly serious shit with it.  Hard to beat , for the price.

Decadence wrote:

tojo2000 wrote:

You do realize that while it's easy to find complaints about the VA, year after year it outscores private health insurance in customer satisfaction, don't you?

Banjo was re-fering to the "active-duty health care system" which is "an en-tirely dif-ferent animal".

Ah.  Thanks.

phreddy wrote:

Em wrote:

Phreddy, phreddy, phreddy

You seem to want to remain oblivious to is the fact that this is how it is now.  Nothing will change if you are poor you will get shitty health care and it will be rationed.  If you don't like it, well - just go make some more money and you can have better health care.

Just like it is now Here, Britain, France, Germany, Japan, etc, etc.

If this was only the case.  Fact is the rich from all these countries come to the US for first class treatment.  If we fuck up our system, where do we go?  Of course there will be high end clinics somewhere in the world, but normal middle class folks like us who presently have excellent care aren't going to be visiting them.  The so-called public option is merely the foot in the door for a universal government system with no private options.  Obama said it himself back before he started lying about this latest scam.

And my boss went to Switzerland for his knee replacements, his wife went to Paris for her butt lift, etc, etc.   Mate, I work with the extremely wealthy, don't run your half-assed party talking points at me. 

I had to break this to you, while we do have some wonderful advantages those other places aren't full of chumps.  Think it through a little; or alternatively  you could do some research into these companies.  Just where the fuck do you think Bayer is from?

Jesus fucking christ - have you ever thought of using your head for something other than a convienent hat-rack?  You just can't possibly be this unaware of the world outside of our borders.

/thread

Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke, Emmeran.

Back on Topic:

The best in the WORLD!

Claims denial rates by leading California insurers, first six months of 2009:

•PacifiCare -- 39.6 percent
•Cigna -- 32.7 percent
•HealthNet -- 30 percent
•Kaiser Permanente -- 28.3 percent
•Blue Cross -- 27.9 percent
•Aetna -- 6.4 percent

fnord wrote:

In some states, private insurers are allowed to consider domestic violence a “preexisting condition” that allows them to refuse payment of hospital bills that result from being beaten up by a spouse or partner.

Women that fall into this category have several options. I would recommend the Tempura House. These houses are nationwide and they specialize in battered women.

Dmtdust wrote:

Back on Topic:

I cannot even begin to list the contradictions listed here....  I'm amazed that whoever this guy is was so fucking stupid that he somehow feels that we have a free market in this country.

fnord wrote:

In some states, private insurers are allowed to consider domestic violence a “preexisting condition” that allows them to refuse payment of hospital bills that result from being beaten up by a spouse or partner.

If you think about it, it makes some sense.  Anyone choosing to remain in an abusive situation after being treated for beatings shouldn't be coming to me (or her insurance company) to fix their black eyes, broken teeth and bones.

Taint wrote:

phreddy wrote:

fnord wrote:

In some states, private insurers are allowed to consider domestic violence a “preexisting condition” that allows them to refuse payment of hospital bills that result from being beaten up by a spouse or partner.

If you think about it, it makes some sense.  Anyone choosing to remain in an abusive situation after being treated for beatings shouldn't be coming to me (or her insurance company) to fix their black eyes, broken teeth and bones.

FAIL.

Come on Taint, you can't seriously tell us that you haven't had a friend in an abusive relationship that you eventually had to tell to stop coming to you for help if they were just going to keep going back.

Bill has seen the light!

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/bill-ore … are-reform