Come on Fnord, you believe in genetics.  We came out of Afrika, and all the ancestors were brown, or black at one time.

Emmeran wrote:

Eh??

We've not even selected the jury yet on the evolution thing; far more questions than answers.

Let's wait until the Grand Jury get a look after we have hard & complete evidence and we'll work from there; theorys built on theorys work for the scientific community but falter under the cold glare of logic. 

Let's stick with "current data tends to suggest..."

"We've not even selected the yet on the evolution thing"?

What more proof do you need?

Be with him all you like,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 01728.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people

"Molecular biology of light skin
Skin color is a quantitative trait that varies continuously on a gradient from dark to light, as it is a polygenic trait, under the influence of several genes. Many of these genes have yet to be identified. However, two genes that are known to contribute to skin color are MC1R and SLC24A5.[34] The mutation resulting in the light skin version of the SLC24A5 gene has been estimated to have originated in Europe between 6,000 and 12,000 years ago, indicating that at least one of the genes responsible for pale skin colour in Europeans arose relatively recently.[40]
Mixed ancestry people of African-European descent who possess one or two copies of the European allele of the SLC24A5 gene have skin color that is significantly lighter than mixed ancestry people who possess only the African allele. It is estimated, based on this observation, that the SLC24A5 locus "explains between 25–38% of the European-African difference in skin melanin index""

You're still mistaken.

Dmtdust wrote:

It is estimated, based on this observation, that the SLC24A5 locus "explains between 25–38% of the European-African difference in skin melanin index"

Just sayin' that we are accepting a lot of circumstantial evidence from scientist who are in a rush to be published (and thus gain some modicum of fame and wealth).

It helps to take everything with a grain of salt and not be in a big hurry to declare the absolute truth.  Particularly with the topic really doesn't matter for shit...

Right, No way in hell that his wife cheated on him with a white dude.

Tall Paul wrote:

Fnord, I think the very vehemence of your rhetoric betrays  the fact that deep down in your soul you know that this is the black girl, had she been born nearer you age, that for you is the unobtainable Divine Female that you secretly hunger for. No?

Umm, I'm gay.  And I'm only into Caucasians, preferably with lots of facial and body hair.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Human_Stain

On the genetics side, the rise in light skins was also matched by an increase in body hair, both as a coping mechanism for colder temperatures and decreased sunlight in northern climates. Lighter skin creates vitamin D more efficiently than dark skin.

Much to fnords consternation, the increasing temperatures and ease of global travel are dooming the lilly white complexions to small, isolated genetic holdouts.

Emmeran wrote:

Dmtdust wrote:

It is estimated, based on this observation, that the SLC24A5 locus "explains between 25–38% of the European-African difference in skin melanin index"

Just sayin' that we are accepting a lot of circumstantial evidence from scientist who are in a rush to be published (and thus gain some modicum of fame and wealth).

It helps to take everything with a grain of salt and not be in a big hurry to declare the absolute truth.  Particularly with the topic really doesn't matter for shit...

Well, with the discovery of the Neanderthal Sequence in the majority of Euro Folks, there are variables at work, and I will grant you that nothing is finalized.  That there were distinct populations developing in the Orient for a long time I would not dispute either.  I hear the Afrikan origination seems to be the key for all though, and it makes me wonder if as you say, there is not a rush to judgment and like many ideas that science promulgates, the sole Afrikan origin will go by the wayside.

Emmeran wrote:

Taint wrote:

Emmeran wrote:

Eh??

We've not even selected the jury yet on the evolution thing; far more questions than answers.

...

Let's stick with "current data tends to suggest..."

"We've not even selected the yet on the evolution thing"?

What more proof do you need?

I'm not making an anti-evolution argument so leave it; and stop trying to paint me into Sarah Palin's corner.  I'm happy right here in the center and here I shall stay.

Oops, sorry about that. I honestly wasn't trying to lump you in with that crowd - it was just rather an odd statement from an otherwise relatively rational person.

MSG Tripps wrote:

GooberMcNutly wrote:

Much to fnords consternation, the increasing temperatures and ease of global travel are dooming the lilly white complexions to small, isolated genetic holdouts.

Deals with tv networks aside; I think where we come from is still a search.  GooberMcNutly could be correct as to where we are headed.

If a darker complexion meant I'd burn less readily, I'll take it.

MSG Tripps wrote:

Taint wrote:

If a darker complexion meant I'd burn less readily, I'll take it.

That's mighty white of you.

Very Christian of you to notice.

phoQ wrote:

I still say there is no evidence regarding the skin color of early man.  You can hunt in the genome for all the clues you want but, without physical evidence, it’s just supposition.  You can’t draw a circle around all living light skinned people and say they constitute a single group with a single mutation, let alone a single origin.  What about the Ainu?  Race is decided politically, not biologically.

Every segment of the living human color sample sheet is mixed to some degree or other, just as you pointed out about living light skinned people. That's only one of many problems ignored every day by one-note racists. Add in the primate family jungle voodoo of using sexual and gender behavior as social cues, and you have a population of animals capable of running High Street. I believe our species is instinctively driven to live near people who look the same as themselves and to mate with people with a color scheme as different as possible. The only problem is that the best way to ensure each of us isn't randomly murdered by some racist acting out a chimpanzee pack war is to minimize the number of people who act that way.

What I really would like is an explanation of questions like why fnord's white ancestors, who deserve to massacre all others in their territory because they look like fnord, decided that 1. Beef was their staple food, and 2. They should kill off every buffalo on the continent and replace them with cows that can't survive the winter without being fed and sheltered. That's a question of basic survival decided in favor of stupid, just like the decision to manufacture plutonium and spread it some of it around in aerosol. Why does one slice of the spectrum believe that it's uniquely fit to survive at the expense of all the others?

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Pay Bigcat no never mind Paul.  He's jealous.

Tall Paul wrote:

I know I shouldn't rant when I don't have the higher nervous ability to type, but I still think the idea that fnord (or someone just like him, if possible) spews his hatred in these threads because he secretly wants to be a black woman who is also white is hilarious. Back to Sarah Palin mode:

Oh fnord, you just don't understand! You can't face up to the fact that you want to be a white black woman....

O clueless one, I have no desire to be either black or female.  I have a theory that male to female trannys can't deal with their same sex attractions, so they pay doctors to cut their dicks off and replace them with tranny holes.  I have no problem with my same sex attractions, and like most men find my penis to be an endless source of fascination.  There's no way I would let some quack cut it off!  As for becoming black, if I wanted to turn black, there's medication for that. See Black Like Me by John Howard Griffin.

The plot thickens.

(This is the same basic story)

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taffy wrote:

fnord wrote:

Tall Paul wrote:

I know I shouldn't rant when I don't have the higher nervous ability to type, but I still think the idea that fnord (or someone just like him, if possible) spews his hatred in these threads because he secretly wants to be a black woman who is also white is hilarious. Back to Sarah Palin mode:

Oh fnord, you just don't understand! You can't face up to the fact that you want to be a white black woman....

O clueless one, I have no desire to be either black or female.  I have a theory that male to female trannys can't deal with their same sex attractions, so they pay doctors to cut their dicks off and replace them with tranny holes.  I have no problem with my same sex attractions, and like most men find my penis to be an endless source of fascination.  There's no way I would let some quack cut it off!  As for becoming black, if I wanted to turn black, there's medication for that. See Black Like Me by John Howard Griffin.

Oh god, you remind me of those fucking people that think being gay is a choice you can make. Maybe it is for you buddy...

Well, thanks to the miracle of modern medicine, I do have choices.  I can do the healthy thing and accept myself as a Gay White Male, or I can make the decision to become a fucked up imitation of a White Woman, assume the external appearance of a negro, or the most fucked possibility of all, become a fake negress.  As none of these changes appeal to me, I choose to accept myself as I am!

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Emmeran wrote:

The plot thickens.

See also Kennewick man, Spirit Cave mummy, and Luzia.

Fixed the link - the question starts to become:  Where did human life really begin?   Could we have spawned from the mud soup of the Amazon basin, or the stagnant waters of the Everglades river? More questions than answers.

Could the politics of science (For example: the Clovis Mafia) have affected research so much that we have ignored or possibly even destroyed important clues that indicate a completely different scenario?

Em's link wrote:

Whoever got here first, in other words, were not the ancestors of today's Pequot, Shoshone and other tribes. Instead, they were obliterated by later arrivals who made war or made love: killing them or mating with them.

Couldn’t they have at least put them on reservations?

Emmeran wrote:

Could the politics of science (For example: the Clovis Mafia) have affected research so much that we have ignored or possibly even destroyed important clues that indicate a completely different scenario?

"a new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it."-Max Planck

taffy wrote:

fnord wrote:

taffy wrote:

Oh god, you remind me of those fucking people that think being gay is a choice you can make. Maybe it is for you buddy...

Well, thanks to the miracle of modern medicine, I do have choices.  I can do the healthy thing and accept myself as a Gay White Male, or I can make the decision to become a fucked up imitation of a White Woman, assume the external appearance of a negro, or the most fucked possibility of all, become a fake negress.  As none of these changes appeal to me, I choose to accept myself as I am!

Yes, it would be just the same way as you could designate your ass as "exit only", pop some Viagra, and aim your sour cream rifle at ham purse from here on out... The way God intended.

Not at all my dear!  Like the other possible changes, it would involve Frankenstein surgical procedures (probably involving neural rewiring and electrode implantation) plus behavioral training and modification in order to become a poor mimic of what I'm not by nature.  My sour cream rifle works just fine without Viagra thank you very much!

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taffy wrote:

fnord wrote:

taffy wrote:

Yes, it would be just the same way as you could designate your ass as "exit only", pop some Viagra, and aim your sour cream rifle at ham purse from here on out... The way God intended.

Not at all my dear!  Like the other possible changes, it would involve Frankenstein surgical procedures (probably involving neural rewiring and electrode implantation) plus behavioral training and modification in order to become a poor mimic of what I'm not by nature.  My sour cream rifle works just fine without Viagra thank you very much!

It just seems obvious to me that gender is as much of a choice as a man "choosing" to enjoy getting stuck with the pork sword. Honestly, who would go through all the trouble if it wasn't absolutely necessary?

Getting stuck with the pork sword isn't any trouble at all!

Taff:  Some guys like that Prostate Thingie side o' life.

So you're saying Taint and I have to scratch each others eyes out for the winner of your fight with taffy?

taffy wrote:

Fine, I wasn't aware fnord already had a lady in his life.

Find your own schicht, this one is mine.