“The law, signed by Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer in April, requires police to question people about their status if they have been detained for another reason and if there's reason to suspect they're in the United States illegally.”

I’ve met many outraged people who think that the law tells cops to pull you over if you are Mexican.

tojo2000 wrote:

if you get pulled over or stopped on the street they can then insist that you prove your citizenship, and if you can't prove it on the spot they can detain you until you do

That's called a "Drivers License", if you don't have one then you should be arrested anyway - that is the law.

tojo2000 wrote:

It's a retarded law that stirs up racial animosity

How is this racists?   Illegal aliens come from all corners of the globe, from every ethnicity, of every color, race and religion. 

tojo2000 wrote:

All it does is make some people feel good that think it's not fair and want more people to be punished because they're still mentally six years old and think life is supposed to be fair.

It's the Federal Law, it's California Law, it will soon be Arizona Law and it is the will of the people.

Please Tojo, give us just one good, logical reason we should not expel Foreign Nationals who enter our country without permission?

Last edited by Emmeran (2010-07-23 11:53:24)

I‘m a legal citizen without ID and I get hassled by them man.  I expect it.

Emmeran wrote:

tojo2000 wrote:

Emmeran wrote:

blah blah blah

I've heard enough of your arguments to know that they aren't even logically consistent, so I'm not going to get into it with you again.  I'm not going to try to argue with your gut feelings.

tojo2000 wrote:

It's a retarded law that stirs up racial animosity

Gut feelings eh?

Heh.  Yeah.  I've done my serious argument bit on this issue, and I'm done.

Emmeran wrote:

tojo2000 wrote:

if you get pulled over or stopped on the street they can then insist that you prove your citizenship, and if you can't prove it on the spot they can detain you until you do

That's called a "Drivers License", if you don't have one then you should be arrested anyway - that is the law.

A driver's license does not prove that the detainee is here legally, so I don't think that will suffice for purposes of verifying status.  Morover, the law is not limited to traffic stops.  Indeed, all that it requires is that the police have a "reasonable suspicion" and not probable cause to believe that any crime has been committed.

Emmeran wrote:

tojo2000 wrote:

It's a retarded law that stirs up racial animosity

How is this racists?   Illegal aliens come from all corners of the globe, from every ethnicity, of every color, race and religion.

The proof will be in the pudding, as they say, but I think it is extremely naive to think that race and ethnicity are not going to be major factors.  We are talking about Arizona after all.  Does this make it unconstitutional?  I am not sure.  I think it should be subject to "strict scrutiny" under the equal protection clause, but I am not sure how it will be decided.  The state will argue that even under strict scrutiny, there is adequate basis for the state's action.  On the other hand, once the Court determines that "strict scrutiny" is the appropriate standard for determining whether equal protection is being violated, typically the outcome is to find that the statute is unconstitutional.  The Roberts Court, however, has taken a fairly sharp right turn on some issues, and this may well be one of them.

GooberMcNutly wrote:

We have lots of illegal aliens here in Florida and most of the ones around here are Europeans. They come over on a travel visa and spend their summers working in bars and pools and the like, taking out leases on apartments, trashing them and then going back home for "school" in the fall.

Yeah, and they all carry knives and have smelly cooking!

Driver License Fail:

Yeah, all over the news this morning....
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