Haul it all out into the open!

He's a douchebag who is obviously a Fight Club fan for all the wrong reasons.

Don't get it, Em? There are no noncombatants.

It's a race to oblivion for all of us. Enjoy the ride.

The potential for global openness and scrutiny that I've seen in the WWW (and often dreamed about, I admit) is finally creeping into actual reality.

This is the tradeoff for our old-fashioned sense of "personal privacy."  I'm not saying that's a grand thing, or that I welcome losing my "privacy" (or that I won't miss it a lot) but we were gonna lose ours anyway, and now at last the bigass institutions--the governments, and yes by God the motherfucking megacorporations--are starting to lose theirs too.

For sure, the Powers That Be are going to try to suppress the Internet.  I look forward to watching that farce play out.

'Cause you can't stop the signal, Mal.

Assange Tells TIME: Hillary Clinton 'Should Resign'

The very interesting fact is that the US Government has the legal and technical ability to shut down his web site; and yet they do not.  Why?

Emmeran wrote:

The very interesting fact is that the US Government has the legal and technical ability to shut down his web site; and yet they do not.  Why?

They could nuke Iran, and Venezuela too, but for the fall out.

The NYTimes and every other major media outlet on the planet is as complicit as Assange.

I have no problem with freedom of speech.  It's cool what Wikileaks is doing.

However, with freedom comes responsibility.  So when share prices tumble because Wikileaks spat out some shit, the WL minions should be held responsible.  Wikileaks divulges some government docs and someone dies, WL gets prosecuted for their responsibility in the affair.

Freedom of speech isn't the same as being an irresponsible dick.  Wikileaks doesn't seem to understand that.  Government is for being an irresponsible dick.

Emmeran wrote:

Not to mention that Assange and the pathetic gay soldier may have just set off the Second Korean War

Aw, Em honey, this is just how N. Korea puts its hand out for money.  They've been doing this for at least 20 years.

and we have yet to see what Iran will do now that they have proof the entire region is plotting against them.

They've never been keen on having any "proof" before; but this may indeed be helpful keeping the current regime in power.

Emmeran wrote:

We all know how well that transparency shit worked out for Anne Franke don't we.

Oh please! We all know the diary was written with a ball point pen that was invented five years after the purported authoress of this weepy tale died in a pool of her own diarrhea.

choad wrote:

The NYTimes and every other major media outlet on the planet is as complicit as Assange.

Choad, you know that in a time of war the Fed had the explicit right to censor the media; they could turn it off with out a wimper being heard.  I think that us and our special Allies are benefiting.  Mubarak, Merkel, Cameron: they all receive local political boosts from these leaks.

choad wrote:

Emmeran wrote:

choad wrote:

The NYTimes and every other major media outlet on the planet is as complicit as Assange.

Choad, you know that in a time of war the Fed had the explicit right to censor the media; they could turn it off with out a wimper being heard.

Then DARPA had to go create a global network and royally fuck itself.

Sweet, huh?

But it's not a global network in the end; it's an American network which we still hold the key to.  If nothing else they can claim copy-write infringement.  They still control the root.

Em wrote:

But it's not a global network in the end; it's an American network which we still hold the key to.  If nothing else they can claim copy-write infringement.  They still control the root.

He has pissed off too many powerful people.  Whether it's espionage, rape, or copyright infringement, he will go down for a crime one way or the other.  Think OJ Simpson and Al Capone.

Emmeran wrote:

Game over.

When the Russkies come for him he can stand on his first amendment rights.  (While the FSB agents loop the suicide rope around his neck.)

Yay transparency

Scotty wrote:

Is it just because this guy is so high profile that he hasn't wound up missing or found with a bullet in his brain?  Are Cold War-type assassinations that passe?

He doesn't have long to live.  It's possible the decision about how to terminate him hasn't been made yet.  Should it be an “accident”, should he be killed in prison in a staged inmate dispute, or should it be an outright public execution?  As the Wicked Witch Of The West would say: "These things must be done delicately."

fnord wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Is it just because this guy is so high profile that he hasn't wound up missing or found with a bullet in his brain?  Are Cold War-type assassinations that passe?

He doesn't have long to live.  It's possible the decision about how to terminate him hasn't been made yet.  Should it be an “accident”, should he be killed in prison in a staged inmate dispute, or should it be an outright public execution?  As the Wicked Witch Of The West would say: "These things must be done delicately."

I'd like it to go down like this.

Emmeran wrote:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/07/wikileaks-insurance-file/

When I read about that I was truly impressed with their forethought. It's like a real-life Le Carre' novel. I'm sure that the private key is sitting in an envelope in some lawyers safe waiting until Assange fails to check in from time to time.

Emmeran wrote:

The man who believes nothing should be secret sure is keeping a lot of his own - fucking hypocrite

Ever faced a viable death threat, Em?

Remarkable, really, remaining reasonably sane after 4 years in a sniper scope.

Assange has a martyr's deathwish but that doesn't explain your animus. Why the hate?

Although I too enjoy having access to the information and feel that little of it should be classified, this is not a case of someone publishing a relatively discrete set of classified documents in order to reveal corruption or dishonesty which one could justify.  This is appears to be more of an indiscriminate dump (see the flies gather).  If it Aldrich Ames or Robert Hanssen had passed these documents along, there is no doubt how the public would view it.  And this is the view of a civil libertarian.

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The Supreme Court on Monday will hear a case testing whether a veteran — in this situation, from the Korean War with severe mental illness — should be prevented from appealing a Department of Veterans Affairs denial of benefits if he missed a 120-day time limit for judicial review of the decision.

choad wrote:

Ever faced a viable death threat, Em?

Remarkable, really, remaining reasonably sane after 4 years in a sniper scope.

Assange has a martyr's deathwish but that doesn't explain your animus. Why the hate?

Firstly:  You can't really believe no one knows where he's at.

Secondly: I was referring to his secret source (whom is already in custody and will be so for life)


But regardless, unlike the media which is cleansing the docs of names and places, he dumped them with plenty of info on informants and supporters in a war zone. People who will die for Assanges religious fervor.

Frankly, he's a hypocrite and a media whore who believes everyones secret's should be exposed; except his of course.

George Orr wrote:

I've been on the fence about Assange for months, and it's bothered me that I couldn't make up my mind.

In recent days I'm leaning further toward liking what he's doing.

[T]here has been no credible allegation, even by organizations like the Pentagon, that even a single person has come to harm as a result of our activities.  This is despite much-attempted manipulation and spin trying to lead people to a counter-factual conclusion.

This is his claim, but that claim has zero factual basis, he can't possibly know what chains of events have or will occur from his little publicity play.  He's been in hiding and I can assure you it's not in Iraq or Afganistan.

We know three facts:

1.  He could not possibly have read all of the documents himself - even if he did take Evelyn Wood's speed reading course.

2.  He's been on the dodge and really has no idea what is happening every where in the world because of what he  did, nor does he care.

3.  Assange is anti-American, always has been; which is why Wikileaks should actually be called Wiki-US-leaks.  It's a targeted hack at us by a maniac.

I'm all in favor of a good expose'; mis-dealings and transgressions should be exposed, investigative reporting makes the world a better place. This however is not what Assange and Bradley did.  Assange wanted to hurt the US and didn't care who else got hurt along the way.

choad wrote:

Assange has a martyr's deathwish but that doesn't explain your animus. Why the hate?

Sorry, I just realized I didn't answer your question.

The hate is because when I look at the pictures of him I see Sarah Palin; when he speaks it's with the same attitude as Palin.  I am definitely not a Palinite.

and honestly, since I found out he was a deadbeat dad; nothing will ever change my opinion of him and I will always view his actions in a negative light.

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fnord wrote:

Julian Assange is wanted by Swedish authorities for having sex without a condom!

"sex by surprise," which he said involves a fine of 5,000 kronor or about $715.

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"We don't even know what 'sex by surprise' even means, and they haven't told us," Stephens said...

"Whatever 'sex by surprise' is, it's only a offense in Sweden -- not in the U.K. or the U.S. or even Ibiza," Stephens said. "I feel as if I'm in a surreal Swedish movie being threatened by bizarre trolls. The prosecutor has not asked to see Julian, never asked to interview him, and he hasn't been charged with anything. He's been told he's wanted for questioning, but he doesn't know the nature of the allegations against him."

I would definitely pay $715 right now for a little surprise sex. Where is RT when we need her input on this subject?