#2 2010-12-26 01:47:10
Interesting - the counter vote has some solid issues. We can't just keep throwing money at issues without understanding them; we've done that for years often making the issues worse.
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#3 2010-12-26 08:18:01
I understand ,but in the first place, why the fuck are our senetors and reps. voting on issues like this for other countries around the world? Vote to dis-allow child marriage in the U.S.A.--fine. Stay the fuck out of other countries shit. Some of thir cultures are thousands of years old and we feel as though we should change it for them? Let's take care of our shit at home first. When we don't have; homeless and starving, raped and molested, sick who can't pay for care, and elderly freezing to death in thier homes then we can start to tell the rest of the world how to roll.
This is why they hate us. This is why you can't fly to grandma's house without getting your pee-pee-winker x-rayed at the airport.
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#4 2010-12-26 11:53:32
Emmeran wrote:
Interesting - the counter vote has some solid issues. We can't just keep throwing money at issues without understanding them; we've done that for years often making the issues worse.
The only issues here are basic human rights and male dominance. The money is chump change. Em, you've given the lie to your concern for children but I'm won't argue the point. RT is right. We should leave this rubbish to Drudge.
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#5 2010-12-27 12:44:39
I'm with Bigcat on this one. Who are we to impose our culture on other countries? Child marriage and arranged marriage is still prevalent in Asia, Africa, and the Mid East and was common in Western Europe not that long ago. Sex prior to puberty is not necessarily part of the arrangement. Family alliances and politics are behind most of them. Sure, creepy old Muslim perverts play into this, but how would our law sort all this out?
Seems to me the arguments and protests for and against in our Congress are all politics based.
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#6 2010-12-27 15:50:07
My point is that external pressure rarely (if ever) forces change in a society; the vast majority of the time it prompts that society to band together with a "us against the world" attitude. It's also worth noting on this topic that we still have quite a mess in our own back yard and people who live in glass houses . . .
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#7 2010-12-27 18:48:40
Right on,Em. Right on.
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#8 2010-12-27 21:02:15
Bigcat wrote:
Right on,Em. Right on.
Right on, but...
I'm thinking about things like the backroom deals brokered by The Hammer (and his buddies in the in the bible thumping industry) in his heyday that allowed what amounts to slave labor in the clothing and sex trades in the Marianas. Is that what you want your tax dollars at work doing?
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#9 2010-12-27 21:29:08
Yes Paul, they do want that. Otherwise, it stretches the brain fabric too much.
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#10 2010-12-28 05:28:57
I don't give a shit what the muds do in their own countries, it's not our problem. Besides, who are we to tell them not to slice up their daughters' genitals when male genital mutilation is routinely inflicted on newborn males in this country.
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#11 2010-12-28 11:18:13
Tall Paul wrote:
Bigcat wrote:
Right on,Em. Right on.
Right on, but...
I'm thinking about things like the backroom deals brokered by The Hammer (and his buddies in the in the bible thumping industry) in his heyday that allowed what amounts to slave labor in the clothing and sex trades in the Marianas. Is that what you want your tax dollars at work doing?
My point exactly - clean up our own messes first. Enforce our own laws at home and develop effect Labor/Environmental Tariffs to create jobs/level the playing field/stifle the exploitation of others.
Or we can just do the Dusty thing and send tens of millions in aid money to third world countries so that we can finance a third palace for their "president for life"; but on the plus side Dusty's plan does give us a warm and fuzzy feeling.
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#12 2010-12-28 12:25:19
Emmeran wrote:
Tall Paul wrote:
Bigcat wrote:
Right on,Em. Right on.
Right on, but...
I'm thinking about things like the backroom deals brokered by The Hammer (and his buddies in the in the bible thumping industry) in his heyday that allowed what amounts to slave labor in the clothing and sex trades in the Marianas. Is that what you want your tax dollars at work doing?My point exactly - clean up our own messes first. Enforce our own laws at home and develop effect Labor/Environmental Tariffs to create jobs/level the playing field/stifle the exploitation of others.
Or we can just do the Dusty thing and send tens of millions in aid money to third world countries so that we can finance a third palace for their "president for life"; but on the plus side Dusty's plan does give us a warm and fuzzy feeling.
I give you points EM, that finally was concise. You can actually get there still. I applaud that. It does indeed start here first, but we should keep our eyes on the horizon as well.
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#13 2010-12-28 14:56:33
Dmtdust wrote:
I give you points EM, that finally was concise. You can actually get there still. I applaud that. It does indeed start here first, but we should keep our eyes on the horizon as well.
I assumed you understood that from the git-go, we've agreed on those concepts for a long time; well except for my ideas about Environmental/Labor Tariffs - I've just trotted those out and they need a bit more study and research.
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