I have been expecting it for the last 40 years.  I jumped on the band wagon early.  When the electric car was deep sixed in the late 70's... I knew we were too stupid to avert what was coming towards us. 

Every time the shit hits the fan, the west goes!!!!! whoa!!!!! what's happening????? Why US????? 

This routine is now officially old and done.

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That is 2 routes to many.  Heh!  Can't hold that when the Shitstorm hits.

On the other hand, I think it will play out far different.  Not so doom and gloom, but that is just lil ol' me.

fnord wrote:

There always seems to be a quick bandaid fix whenever the system gets dysentery, however the bandaids are getting bigger, more complicated, and take longer to work.  Eventually the whole system will become broken beyond repair.  In addition to the measures recommended by Dusty, I suggest moving far away from a city full of minority savages dependent on government aid and criminal activities for their income.  They will be ruthless killers of Whites when the shit hits the fan.

I live in a naturally enclosed remote area with only three routes in.  There is a source of water running through this region.  In addition, I live in a gated community with it’s own well and a water system separate from the city system.  In other words, the region has both surface and well water available, meaning the inhabitants could outwait a siege in the immediate aftermath of a civilization collapse.  The population is over 90% White; the undesirable minorities could easily be expelled to join their comrades from the cities, who would no doubt eventually reach us and attempt to massacre and plunder the community.

Translation: I live in fear.

fortinbras wrote:

...here's another chess piece to show how absolutely fucked we are.

This is not news.

From my reading on the subject 8 years ago I thought the oil markets had already taken into account that the Saudis were overestimating their easily recoverable reserves.

For 30 years the Saudis have been  upping the stated figure for easily recoverable oil. Doing this nearly every year. Claiming they keep discovering more oil within their known  oil fields that will be easy and cheap to drill. The impact here  is not so much that there is less total reserves but that what can be recovered cheaply is overstated.  For decades there has been much published skepticism of the Saudi declared  amount. Industry groups have stated in 2005 that the cumulative effect was between 45 and 55% overestimated. And much discussion is out there on how the growth of the Saudi economy and financing factors had spurred them to start make yearly overstatements in the early 1980s.

Someone who knows more about the market can correct me, but if the major oil industry associations and media are publishing this as the likely situation, wouldn't the oil trading markets have factored it in already? Decades ago?

Emmeran wrote:

Johnny_Rotten wrote:

Someone who knows more about the market can correct me, but if the major oil industry associations and media are publishing this as the likely situation, wouldn't the oil trading markets have factored it in already? Decades ago?

The markets don't think ahead, markets by their very definition are chaos.

This is however why we don't want to drill our own reserves; I really don't see a hybrid main battle tank in our future.  Which also calls into question the wisdom of the "Drill baby drill" crowd; they obviously are unclear on the concept of strategic reserves.

What was it W said after he 'won' his second term? Something along the lines of "I've got my political capital, now I'm going to spend it!" Aside from the fact that what he wanted buy with that capital was privatized social security (read: put all you all's retirement money into leveraged debt bonds) even I know that capital has to be invested, never spent. The "Drill Baby Drill" crowd are obviously unclear on a whole range of strategic concepts.

Dmtdust wrote:

Capitalism will wither away, as people realize that keeping a percentile of your population under employed as a stick is fucking stupid.  The re-emergence of the guild structure is a possibility.

I think capitalism will be with us for a very long time.  You might be able to get rid of it in a utopian society for about a week until two people have something that the other one wants.  At some point an exchange for goods or services is inevitable. The only choice we really have is between free market capitalism and state capitalism.  I prefer my capitalism being a voluntary exchange between two people who mutually benefit.

Dmtdust wrote:

"Not so doom and gloom?  What do you think will be the end game of when the game is up?"

A prolonged period of social and economic adjustment, and the collapse of the federal system.  Regional gov'ts emerge, tailored to their populace.  You probably will see more communal living, anarchistic decision systems being practiced etc.

Watersheds, etc are true dileniations of "territory" anyway, and the Nation Stat will disappear world wide. regionalism will emerge to the forefront.  New social groupings will emerge, based on commonality and mutual interest.

Food supplies will become more localized out of necessity. (this procedure is underway now)...

With the departure of the gas driven vehicle, less roads will be used, most city streets will be dug up, and urban gardens will emerge, with the local community planting food and medicinal herbs etc.  Bicycles and other transport will increase.  Railroads will get a new life, using electricity when possible, maybe steam again. 

Capitalism will wither away, as people realize that keeping a percentile of your population under employed as a stick is fucking stupid.  The re-emergence of the guild structure is a possibility. 

The arts will flourish, as people won't be being mass fed by machines.  Poets and Bards will take their rightful place again in the structure of society.

We will emerge from this period a better civilization.  Just Sayin'.

Dusty's hippie version of the "rapture".

Anarchist Rapture Oppy, get it right.  As I said and which everyone ignored, this trumps that scenario anyway:
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/febr … rms-ta.php

Welcome back to the Paleolithic MoFo's!

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Hey!  Thanks.  I can resume conquering the world!

Dmtdust wrote:

Hey!  Thanks.  I can resume conquering the world!

I was a bit disappointed. I'll have to do my taxes now.

Tall Paul wrote:

You should have known better. A simple paraphrase of the article might go something like: The POLE is moving TOWARDS RUSSIA and AWAY from AMERICA and will DESTROY THE COUNTRY! If there had been a picture of a chalkboard you could have mistaken it for Glenn Beck.

Still, such things go happen but I'd like to see more data before I start panicing.

Fuck you doubter, how dare you fuck up my plans.

Tall Paul wrote:

The POLE is moving TOWARDS RUSSIA and AWAY from AMERICA and will DESTROY THE COUNTRY!

The real question is "What will Obama do about it?"