#1 2013-07-22 17:14:37
In my own research, I have collected over 50 examples in which innocent people were killed in raids to enforce warrants for crimes that are either nonviolent or consensual (that is, crimes such as drug use or gambling, in which all parties participate voluntarily). These victims were bystanders, or the police later found no evidence of the crime for which the victim was being investigated. They include Katherine Johnston, a 92-year-old woman killed by an Atlanta narcotics team acting on a bad tip from an informant in 2006; Alberto Sepulveda, an 11-year-old accidentally shot by a California SWAT officer during a 2000 drug raid; and Eurie Stamps, killed in a 2011 raid on his home in Framingham, Mass., when an officer says his gun mistakenly discharged. Mr. Stamps wasn't a suspect in the investigation.
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#2 2013-07-22 18:56:07
I thought you approved of people in "authority" shooting the unarmed.
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#3 2013-07-23 02:15:24
phreddy wrote:
No shit.
Here is a more in depth article that I posted in the "cops murdering dogs" thread. From Salon.com- Why Did You Shoot Me? I was only reading a book.
I may as well post the following- Police raid felt like home invasion
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#4 2013-07-23 09:23:26
And the flip side - in Atlanta there have been several cases of home invasion crews posing as police officers.....
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#5 2013-07-23 10:39:24
Dmtdust wrote:
I thought you approved of people in "authority" shooting the unarmed.
Only those who are committing violent crimes.
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#6 2013-07-23 11:00:03
phreddy wrote:
Dmtdust wrote:
I thought you approved of people in "authority" shooting the unarmed.
Only those who are committing violent crimes.
Like stalking someone on a dark and stormy night with a loaded weapon? That kind of violent crime?
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#7 2013-07-23 11:13:00
Emmeran wrote:
phreddy wrote:
Dmtdust wrote:
I thought you approved of people in "authority" shooting the unarmed.
Only those who are committing violent crimes.
Like stalking someone on a dark and stormy night with a loaded weapon? That kind of violent crime?
Let it go Em. The guy is innocent.
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#8 2013-07-23 11:19:21
phreddy wrote:
Emmeran wrote:
phreddy wrote:
Only those who are committing violent crimes.Like stalking someone on a dark and stormy night with a loaded weapon? That kind of violent crime?
Let it go Em. The guy is innocent.
Actually, Phred, although I agree with you philosophically regarding this case, GZ is not 'innocent'... he's been found 'not guilty' of the charges of manslaughter and 2nd degree murder by a jury of his peers in a criminal court in the State of Florida.
There's a significant difference between 'innocent' and 'not guilty.
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#9 2013-07-23 11:31:13
whosasailorthen wrote:
phreddy wrote:
Emmeran wrote:
Like stalking someone on a dark and stormy night with a loaded weapon? That kind of violent crime?Let it go Em. The guy is innocent.
Actually, Phred, although I agree with you philosophically regarding this case, GZ is not 'innocent'... he's been found 'not guilty' of the charges of manslaughter and 2nd degree murder by a jury of his peers in a criminal court in the State of Florida.
There's a significant difference between 'innocent' and 'not guilty.
Thank you
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#10 2013-07-23 12:01:45
Emmeran wrote:
whosasailorthen wrote:
phreddy wrote:
Let it go Em. The guy is innocent.Actually, Phred, although I agree with you philosophically regarding this case, GZ is not 'innocent'... he's been found 'not guilty' of the charges of manslaughter and 2nd degree murder by a jury of his peers in a criminal court in the State of Florida.
There's a significant difference between 'innocent' and 'not guilty.Thank you
Don't get all happy on me, Em. I still think GZ did exactly what I would have done... if some asshole cold cocks me, breaks my nose and starts slamming my head into a concrete sidewalk I'm gonna cap him.
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#11 2013-07-23 12:03:41
Emmeran wrote:
whosasailorthen wrote:
phreddy wrote:
Let it go Em. The guy is innocent.
Actually, Phred, although I agree with you philosophically regarding this case, GZ is not 'innocent'... he's been found 'not guilty' of the charges of manslaughter and 2nd degree murder by a jury of his peers in a criminal court in the State of Florida.
There's a significant difference between 'innocent' and 'not guilty.Thank you
I am aware of the difference. That's why I specifically said he guy is innocent. He is innocent because he committed no crimes. He had every right to do everything he did that night
On a side note, a "racist" demonstrator at at a pro-Zimmerman rally turns out to be a left wing agitator trying to discredit the rally.
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#12 2013-07-23 12:08:36
phreddy wrote:
... On a side note, a "racist" demonstrator at at a pro-Zimmerman rally turns out to be a left wing agitator trying to discredit the rally.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-cont … -plant.jpg
Probably not the only one, either... sadly, this is a typical tactic of the left - happens at Tea Party rallies all the time. Funny, but I don't recall ever hearing anyone from the right doing this, but I am perfectly willing to stand corrected if anyone can show any instances.
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#13 2013-07-23 12:15:09
whosasailorthen wrote:
Emmeran wrote:
whosasailorthen wrote:
Actually, Phred, although I agree with you philosophically regarding this case, GZ is not 'innocent'... he's been found 'not guilty' of the charges of manslaughter and 2nd degree murder by a jury of his peers in a criminal court in the State of Florida.
There's a significant difference between 'innocent' and 'not guilty.Thank you
Don't get all happy on me, Em. I still think GZ did exactly what I would have done... if some asshole cold cocks me, breaks my nose and starts slamming my head into a concrete sidewalk I'm gonna cap him.
I think the difference is you aren't like Zimmerman, hell the dude is a loon job. No job, no life and no future so he then wants to be super-cop and ends up killing someone because of his actions. As I've said before Martin also had a right to stand his ground when he was being stalked and thought his life was in danger. I too would confront you if you were stalking me on a dark and rainy night.
The question to ask is what would you have done in Martin's shoes...
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#14 2013-07-23 12:16:28
whosasailorthen wrote:
phreddy wrote:
... On a side note, a "racist" demonstrator at at a pro-Zimmerman rally turns out to be a left wing agitator trying to discredit the rally.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-cont … -plant.jpgProbably not the only one, either... sadly, this is a typical tactic of the left - happens at Tea Party rallies all the time. Funny, but I don't recall ever hearing anyone from the right doing this, but I am perfectly willing to stand corrected if anyone can show any instances.
What could someone from the right possibly do to discredit a left wing rally? Carry a sign saying "Outlaw parental consent for abortion", or "Support killing of our troops", or "Hang all corporate CEOs". Hell, they would fit right in and nobody would blink.
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#15 2013-07-23 12:16:33
whosasailorthen wrote:
phreddy wrote:
... On a side note, a "racist" demonstrator at at a pro-Zimmerman rally turns out to be a left wing agitator trying to discredit the rally.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-cont … -plant.jpgProbably not the only one, either... sadly, this is a typical tactic of the left - happens at Tea Party rallies all the time. Funny, but I don't recall ever hearing anyone from the right doing this, but I am perfectly willing to stand corrected if anyone can show any instances.
This is silly shit - America is the least racist nation in the world - we just like to air our dirty laundry here more than any place else also.
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#16 2013-07-23 12:53:15
Emmeran wrote:
The question to ask is what would you have done in Martin's shoes...
Probably had psychotic episodes
Martin was returning from the store with two of the ingredients found in this fabulous stuff. His autopsy report indicated physio damage consistent with extended use of said stuff. There are even some rumors floating that he had a bottle on his person at the time of the incident, already mixed up.
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#17 2013-07-23 13:03:05
Jesus - fucking please stop with this silly shit. Zimmerman could have done a lot of things but shooting him through the heart should have been last on the list. Shoot him in the knee, that'll stop anybody.
Most of all Zimmerman should have stayed in his car and none of this would have happened - that there is the long and the short of it. This did not need to happen.
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#18 2013-07-23 13:09:16
Staying in his car would have been the sensible course of action. That is indisputable.
However, when grappling physically with an assailant you believe is trying to take you firearm, kneecapping is not only unwise, it is likely impossible.
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#19 2013-07-23 14:09:46
The elephant in the room is: Who was the assailant - the stalker or the stalked? Who gets to "Stand their ground"?
I tend to think that the dispatcher recording of "these mother-fuckers always get away" is pretty damning. In theory Zimmerman was trying to do something good, in actuality he was not; I agree with the concept but not with the execution and result.
Words cannot describe my utter contempt for this sad fuck Zimmerman. I suppose we should just celebrate the fact that he never was allowed to become an actual police officer.
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#20 2013-07-23 14:24:47
XregnaR wrote:
Emmeran wrote:
The question to ask is what would you have done in Martin's shoes...
Probably had psychotic episodes
Martin was returning from the store with two of the ingredients found in this fabulous stuff. His autopsy report indicated physio damage consistent with extended use of said stuff. There are even some rumors floating that he had a bottle on his person at the time of the incident, already mixed up.
Here is a video that speaks to this issue and others regarding the Trayvon and GZ.
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#21 2013-07-23 14:41:44
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#22 2013-07-23 16:23:11
I will fess up and say I used to do Romilar (4 oz on an empty stomach) with a couple of joints to attend live concerts. Romilar contains lots of dextromethorphan. After 15 - 30 minutes or so of heavy duty paranoia, one mellows out and becomes very trusting and peaceful. I never did it more than once a week and never more than once a night, so I don't know the cumulative effects. However, I guarantee it is a very strong psychoactive drug.
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#23 2013-07-23 16:28:07
People
Get a grip.
Trayvon Martin is dead, George Zimmerman is free, and I feel fine.
Auto-edited on 2020-08-02 to update URLs
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#24 2013-07-27 02:59:29
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