Next time read the articles to understand what they really say, phreddy. 

I'm glad he's your Cruz to bear.

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I have no illusions that we will be able to stop Obamacare through the legislature.  Not until the people rise us and demand it.  The GOP has tried to head it off to no avail.  But the shit will soon hit the fan and we'll have the results splattered over all of us.

And Em, the only way to stop the insurance companies and hospitals from gouging us is to allow unfettered competition.  Obamacare doesn't require competition across state lines, so the same companies which are increasing rates and copays now will be waiting for you in the exchanges.

phreddy wrote:

the only way to stop the insurance companies and hospitals from gouging us is to allow unfettered competition.

Let me know when we decide to actually regulate and prevent collusion, I might be willing to talk then.  At this point the politicians are only gutting oversight & regulation and cleaning up on the back-end with donations (regardless of party).  Competition requires oversight which is why we have referees and umpires in sport, oversight requires dollars and currently the House continuously strips oversight organizations of funding in the name of austerity whilst continuing to fund worthless pork-barrel projects.

whosasailorthen wrote:

Yeah, it's gonna be a real success.

My premiums will be almost 30% more next year.

Why you obstructionist SOB, you're trying to blind them with the facts.  In this case the liberals  remind me of bible thumpers who go to unbelievably perverted logic to cover inconsistencies in their infallible book.

doesyourpussyhurt wrote:

I don't know. This came out today:

Obamacare premium rates are lower than expected.

Phreddy, when are you going to learn that you are being lied to. And you believe all those lies. Just like the "death panel" thing, your party continues to deny reality in favor of blatant class warfare and racism.

The Obamacare premiums will cost less than predicted, according to data released Wednesday by the Obama administration.

Right.

Riddle me this... if it's so great, how come all the government employees and our elected representatives have arranged to opt out?

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whosasailorthen wrote:

Right.

Riddle me this... if it's so great, how come all the government employees and our elected representatives have arranged to opt out?

1) They aren't affected by the AHCA because they already have health insurance, and 2) They had the luxury of writing their own single-payer health care policy on their own terms.

By the way, I'm going to the hospital today, where the vice-head of the plastic surgery department and an intern will remove some stitches. That will set me back a whole $2.00.

Tall Paul wrote:

whosasailorthen wrote:

Right.

Riddle me this... if it's so great, how come all the government employees and our elected representatives have arranged to opt out?

1) They aren't affected by the AHCA because they already have health insurance, and 2) They had the luxury of writing their own single-payer health care policy on their own terms.

By the way, I'm going to the hospital today, where the vice-head of the plastic surgery department and an intern will remove some stitches. That will set me back a whole $2.00.

Congrats! Glad to hear you finally got your gender re-assignment completed.

MSG Tripps wrote:

Tall Paul wrote:

That will set me back a whole $2.00.

Who (besides you) wants to live in Japan?

Sadly you are correct, I lived there long enough (non-military in Tokyo) to tire of the place.  But the do have great medicine, just don't expect justice if you get arrested.

Bigcat wrote:

Tall Paul wrote:

whosasailorthen wrote:

Right.

Riddle me this... if it's so great, how come all the government employees and our elected representatives have arranged to opt out?

1) They aren't affected by the AHCA because they already have health insurance, and 2) They had the luxury of writing their own single-payer health care policy on their own terms.

By the way, I'm going to the hospital today, where the vice-head of the plastic surgery department and an intern will remove some stitches. That will set me back a whole $2.00.

Congrats! Glad to hear you finally got your gender re-assignment completed.

Sorry to disappoint you, Big Cat: The stitches were on my big head. Well, the one most people call their big head anyway. Be that as it may, nicely played!

Tall Paul wrote:

MSG Tripps wrote:

Tall Paul wrote:

That will set me back a whole $2.00.

Who (besides you) wants to live in Japan?

Anyone interested in loose shoes, tight pussy and a warm place to shit. What a minute.... that last one can be hard to come by for most over here, but the qualities of the first two more than make up for it.

Baywolfe wrote:

Tall Paul wrote:

MSG Tripps wrote:

Who (besides you) wants to live in Japan?

Anyone interested in loose shoes, tight pussy and a warm place to shit. What a minute.... that last one can be hard to come by for most over here, but the qualities of the first two more than make up for it.

Link to YouTube page

With credit to Mr. Earl Butz, of course.

End of the day I just want someone to patch me up when I get a serious nick and not make me broke whilst doing so.

XregnaR wrote:

Emmeran wrote:

End of the day I just want someone to patch me up when I get a serious nick and not make me broke whilst doing so.

Brilliantly put.  I'll add "I'd like my children to be able to avoid the poor house" to the equation.

Add "I'd like whoever provides insurance to actually provide it, not just advertise it" and we're onto a winner.

Emm - We do make stuff.  It's called activity.  We make lots of that.  And we get serviced.  Sometimes it hurts.

sigmoid freud wrote:

Problem is how to rip it from the clutches of big corporations.

I know! How about we all put on our hempiest clothes and camp out in a park across the street from a bank? If we don't get enough newstime we can throw a few flaming trash cans through some lobby windows and then go back to talking about what a great job we are doing.

Dmtdust wrote:

The same old struggle: http://io9.com/why-do-knights-fight-sna … 1414832198

Fart Jokes. Almost restores your faith in (13th and 14th century) humanity, don't it?

So far the cheapest deductible I have found using the market place is over a thousand bucks. The average monthly payment plan would be equivalent to a car payment.

And while on the subjects of cars, if I were to get into an accident and myself and the car were just fucked, it would be cheaper for my car to get fixed than myself. Obviously, my life is more valuable than a car (is it?), but that just seems ... odd.

HEY GUYS!!!!

I think many of us would be interested to hear what kind of health insurance deals are being offered to those of you who, like Kim, are shopping insurance at the exchanges.  I have a good private plan, so I don't have to go to Obamacare, but some of you may be going that direction.  Not too much feedback here in California yet because the website and phones are suffering from denial of service issues.

So far I have only been able to access the Kaiser site for an estimate, but things look much brighter than the $2200 per month I was quoted six months ago by one of the major insurers in my area. Looks like, if things hold true to what the website is saying, I will be paying from a low of $92 per month for copper to $165 for Silver. I didn't go for the gold however (I'm not an Olympian). In my mind, that is a much better option than going broke to an insurance company.

I am currently screwed regardless. But yes. The co-pay for office visits was low. $25. The deductible for anything major is $2000 (So much better than $2200 per month). That I can handle. I am reasonably happy with what seems to be offered, although I will reserve judgement until I actually sign up for a plan and see the real costs and benefits. Also, I was glad to see that there was a god bit of preventative care interest in the plan. Not just a plan to get care after something has happened. But the real ability to be proactive.

kim wrote:

So far the cheapest deductible I have found using the market place is over a thousand bucks. The average monthly payment plan would be equivalent to a car payment.

And while on the subjects of cars, if I were to get into an accident and myself and the car were just fucked, it would be cheaper for my car to get fixed than myself. Obviously, my life is more valuable than a car (is it?), but that just seems ... odd.

HEY GUYS!!!!

I assume this "deductible" is what is known as an "excess" in the rest of the civilized world?

I just had two hospital bills in the last three months the first around $3000, followed by $9500. Fucking awesome I only had to pay a $250 excess on the first hospitalization. We only pay that once a year, you know. To be clear, I am saying I payed nothing else. I think I'll frame those bills.

Total monthly payments over the last, oooh, 20 years have averaged, adjusted for inflation, about $80. What with optical, dental, 3 additions to the gene pool, and other sundry activity over the years: yet another slightly related hospitalization about 6 years ago probably costing about $2500, covered by the public health system since it was in a guvmint hospital, oh and let's not forget the eye surgery for retinal detachment about 10 years ago, billed at $5000 if I recall correctly, I think I've done fucking well out of the system. I like to think I'm now an older person exploiting the premiums I paid as a younger person.

You may not be aware of it, but your country is a fucking laughing stock when it comes to your medical system and Obamacare in particular.

Zombie Elvis wrote:

kim wrote:

So far the cheapest deductible I have found using the market place is over a thousand bucks. The average monthly payment plan would be equivalent to a car payment.

And while on the subjects of cars, if I were to get into an accident and myself and the car were just fucked, it would be cheaper for my car to get fixed than myself. Obviously, my life is more valuable than a car (is it?), but that just seems ... odd.

HEY GUYS!!!!

I assume this "deductible" is what is known as an "excess" in the rest of the civilized world?

I just had two hospital bills in the last three months the first around $3000, followed by $9500. Fucking awesome I only had to pay a $250 excess on the first hospitalization. We only pay that once a year, you know. To be clear, I am saying I payed nothing else. I think I'll frame those bills.

Total monthly payments over the last, oooh, 20 years have averaged, adjusted for inflation, about $80. What with optical, dental, 3 additions to the gene pool, and other sundry activity over the years: yet another slightly related hospitalization about 6 years ago probably costing about $2500, covered by the public health system since it was in a guvmint hospital, oh and let's not forget the eye surgery for retinal detachment about 10 years ago, billed at $5000 if I recall correctly, I think I've done fucking well out of the system. I like to think I'm now an older person exploiting the premiums I paid as a younger person.

You may not be aware of it, but your country is a fucking laughing stock when it comes to your medical system and Obamacare in particular.

You may not be aware of it, but you're paying for your medical system with the GST.

Shit.  Thought I saw something that disappeared.

Baywolfe wrote:

You may not be aware of it, but you're paying for your medical system with the GST.

You mean the 10% GST which replaced the 10%/20%/30% wholesale sales tax (don't ask, it was a shambles)? No, it's not. The public Medicare system is payed for by the medicare levy - from about 1% to 1.5% depending on your taxpayer status. Also allocations to the public healthcare system come from the tax revenue, regardless of it's source. So whether it's funded by GST or the wholesale tax it replaced, income tax, company tax or the tax on stupidity, the funding levels ain't got no better or worse just because GST came into existence.

My private health insurance is at ridiculously affordable levels (when I compare it to the numbers you guys are throwing around) because, I dunno, because assholes weren't trying to completely fuck up the system from the get-go? The private health insurance funds are profitable but regulated to stop them acting like complete cunts.