#1 2024-09-13 23:18:37
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#2 2024-09-15 17:10:28
The news story has a few quotes from the "women on the street" involved to consider. Makes me ponder the sheer size and spending of the political machine designed to vacuum up this stuff to turn into partisan fodder. Us and Them indeed
...the owner of the missing cat was “an acquaintance of a friend” rather than her daughter’s friend. Newton could not be reached for comment.
Lee said she had no idea the post would become part of a rumor mill that would spiral into the national consciousness.
“I didn’t think it would ever get past Springfield," she said.
“I’m not sure I’m the most credible source because I don’t actually know the person who lost the cat,” Newton said about the rumor she had passed on to her neighbor, Lee, the Facebook poster.
... As for how the story has shed a negative light on the thousands of Haitian migrants who have settled in Springfield, Lee said she was “just trying to inform people, you know, again, not saying Haitians as a whole [are] bad.”
For her part, Newton, Lee’s neighbor, said she remains concerned that the influx of Haitians is negatively affecting the city’s healthcare and education systems.
“I think it was two years ago now, I went to the [Bureau of Motor Vehicles] to renew my license or my tags. I can't remember, but I was sitting in the BMV, and the only way I know to describe it is I felt like … I was transported, because all around me it was people talking a different language. … I felt like I was the minority,” she said.
Lee said she never imagined her post would become fodder for conspiracy theories and hate.
“I’m not a racist,” she said through heavy emotion, adding that her daughter is half Black and she herself is mixed race and a member of the LGBTQ community. “Everybody seems to be turning it into that, and that was not my intent.”
Lee said she pulled her daughter out of school and is now worried about her safety with so much attention on her family. She is also concerned for the safety of the Haitian community, which she said she did not intend to villainize en masse.
“I feel for the Haitian community,” she said. “If I was in the Haitians’ position, I’d be terrified, too, worried that somebody’s going to come after me because they think I’m hurting something that they love and that, again, that’s not what I was trying to do.”
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#3 2024-09-15 17:52:38
I still don't see anyone apologizing.
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#4 2024-09-15 19:25:50
Not a one. Ain't living in America great!
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#5 2024-09-15 20:22:22
Johnny_Rotten wrote:
Not a one. Ain't living in America great!
Not according to Trump's cult, apparently.
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#6 2024-09-17 20:46:41
"She's countering our truth like lies with fake sounding truth!"
"Get Them!"
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#7 2024-09-18 18:59:57
"I will listen to them one more time to hear their apologies."
I still haven't heard any apologies? What does it take?
“They have spoken my son’s name and used his death for political gain,” said the grieving father.
“This needs to stop now. They can vomit all the hate they want about illegal immigrants, the border crisis, and even untrue claims about fluffy pets being ravaged and eaten by community members,” Clark said. “However, they are not allowed, nor have they ever been allowed, to mention Aiden Clark from Springfield, Ohio. I will listen to them one more time to hear their apologies.”
“To clear the air, my son Aiden Clark was not murdered. He was accidentally killed by an immigrant from Haiti,” Clark said, countering a claim from Vance’s extremist social media rant on Tuesday, where he’d written that “a child was murdered by a Haitian migrant who had no right to be here.”
“Did you know that one of the worst feelings in the world is to not be able to protect your child?” Clark continued. “Even worse, we can’t even protect his memory when he’s gone.”
Shortly before the presidential debate, Nathan Clark spoke at a Springfield city commission meeting. Clark’s 11-year-old son, Aiden, was killed last August when his school bus was hit by a minivan driven by a Haitian migrant, Hermanio Joseph, who has since been convicted of involuntary manslaughter and imprisoned for a minimum of nine years. It was a terrible tragedy, and one of the few crimes thrown at Haitian migrants in Springfield that is true. Clark began his speech with what might seem a shocking comment: “I wish that my son was killed by a 60-year-old white man.” Why? Because then “the incessant group of hate-spewing people would leave us alone”. For Clark, the tragedy of his son’s death had been magnified by “morally bankrupt politicians” using his son to “vomit all the hate” about Haitians. “Please stop the hate,” he beseeched.
Clark’s speech showed not just that many people in Springfield are not as the bigots would wish to portray them, but also that even amid a personal tragedy, it is possible to command extraordinary empathy and compassion that reaches out across the fissures of race and identity. If only our politics, too, could be imbued with such humanity and moral integrity.
the meme has prevailed over real politics
n 1983, Newsweek dedicated a whole issue to Springfield. Entitled “The American Dream”, it concluded sadly that “The times have not been hospitable to dreaming”.
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#8 2024-09-19 10:02:42
I have to keep reminding myself that we are actually the majority being oppressed by the minority. Right now the fucking GOP fascists have turned Springfield, which was actually rejuvenated by the Haitian immigrants, into Selma, AL. They didn't care about Springfield when most of the industry packed their tents and moved out.
But, as was said many years ago, America is great because America is good. That hasn't entirely gone away although not too sure how many people in DC are good. But the rest of us need to rally and support these people and all others like them. Like the good folks of Springfield did at the Haitian restaurants.
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#9 2024-09-22 20:02:31
An apology at last! I suppose it's all we can hope for.
Vance’s team gave the Journal a police report in which a resident claimed her cat may have been stolen by Haitian neighbors. But a Journal reporter tracked down the resident and learned that her cat had been in the basement the whole time, prompting her to apologize to her neighbors.
“The American media totally ignored this stuff,” JD Vance complained last Sunday, “until Donald Trump and I started talking about cat memes.”
... “If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that’s what I’m going to do, Dana, because you guys are completely letting Kamala Harris coast.”
If ever there was a case of saying the quiet part out loud, Vance had perfected the art.
Days after the CNN interview, Vance continued to defend the comments while admitting that he had not fact-checked residents’ claims about the pets. “The media has a responsibility to fact-check,” he said at a rally in Eau Claire, Wisconsin, in an effort to shift blame.
How the Trump Campaign Ran With Rumors About Pet-Eating Migrants—After Being Told They Weren’t True
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#10 2024-09-22 21:15:37
I'm sure part of this thing was Vance wondering, "How can I get them to stop making jokes about me fucking my couch?"
I haven't forgotten, JD. And when you are nothing more than a shitstain on the underpants of history, I will still be making jokes about you fucking your couch.
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#11 2024-09-23 09:32:54
.. “If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that’s what I’m going to do, Dana, because you guys are completely letting Kamala Harris coast.”
What suffering have the American people endured that was not caused by the Republican Party?
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#12 2024-09-24 19:12:40
What is it about these Maga guys and pets?
Project 2025 mastermind allegedly told colleagues he killed a dog with a shovel
Kevin Roberts, now the president of the Heritage Foundation, is alleged to have told colleagues and dinner guests that he killed a neighbor’s pit bull around 2004 while he was working as a still relatively unknown history professor at New Mexico State University.
“My recollection of his account was that he was discussing in the hallway with various members of the faculty, including me, that a neighbor’s dog had been barking pretty relentlessly and was, you know, keeping the baby and probably the parents awake and that he kind of lost it and took a shovel and killed the dog. End of problem,”
Loca, a female pit bull that belonged to Roberts’s neighbors, in Las Cruces, New Mexico. Loca’s owners say she went missing in 2004, the year that Roberts is alleged to have said he killed his neighbor’s dog. Photograph: Courtesy of Daniel Aran
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#13 2024-09-25 08:36:29
If I had to guess, they probably killed small animals when they were younger. I'm sure if experts psychoanalyzed the trump troupe, most of them are sociopaths and borderline psychopaths, meaning that they haven't graduated to serial killing yet. Remember Donald's glee every time someone was executed during his Presidency?
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#14 2024-09-25 14:27:16
There was glee from the get go for some. If you recall how Trump bought his start into politics. He never could admit he was wrong over this, never navigated damage control then and actively lies about the facts to this day. Whether he has a conscience or not it haunts him.
Donald Trump doubles down on his Central Park Five stance (again)
Over 30 years ago, Donald Trump took out full page ads calling for my execution.
On the day he was arrested and arraigned, here is my ad in response.
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#15 2024-09-26 09:22:30
Nice! Hope it didn't cost too much. The guy actually used to think he owned NYC and, in many places, that might have actually been true at one time.
If Donnie Small Hands has one natural talent, it's his ability to recognize and exploit weakness. Ben Franklin (allegedly) put that whole safety issue to bed about 250 years ago, “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
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#16 2024-10-04 19:01:41
Oops, now it has emerged that someone really has been killing geese –
he saw a “white male, in his late fifties or early sixties” riding a lawnmower before getting off and shooting two geese with a shotgun, the court filings reveal.
Comer was “cooperative” and admitted to shooting the two geese,...
“A recording of 911 calls show that residents are reporting that the migrants are walking off with the town’s geese,” Trump said at a rally in Tuscon, Arizona on September 12, two days after authorities say Comer shot the geese.
“They’re taking the geese,” he added. “You know where the geese are? In the park, in the lake. And even walking off with their pets.”
Just before Trump made this claim, a photo went viral online of a man picking up two geese. The animals had been hit by a car in Columbus, roughly 45 minutes away from Springfield, the Ohio Division of Wildlife said at the time.
In order to collect a carcass, residents need documentation from a county sheriff or wildlife officer, the wildlife organization said at the time, but according to the Franklin County Wildlife Office, this is not required for geese, meaning the photographed person had a right to them.
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