#1 2008-05-01 13:57:49

A woman who may or may not be the infamous "DC Madam" of recent notoriety may or may not have committed suicide in Florida.

MyFox Tampa Bay is there with all the facts.

TARPON SPRINGS - Police were called to the home of DC Madam Deborah Jeane Palfrey's mother on Thursday to investigate a suicide.

Police would not confirm that the dead person is Palfrey - only that it is a white woman in her 50's. Palfrey is 52.

Palfrey was dubbed "The DC Madam" by the national media after her arrest for allegedly running an upscale call girl ring in the nation's capitol.

Offline

 

#2 2008-05-01 15:41:40

Followup (yeah yeah, Alex Jones is a nut, I know...)

Offline

 

#3 2008-05-01 16:38:29

From the AP, via the NYT:

A woman convicted just weeks ago of being the ''D.C. madam'' hanged herself Thursday, apparently making good on her vow never to go to prison for running a high-end Washington prostitution ring.

The body of Deborah Jeane Palfrey was found in a shed near her mother's manufactured home about 20 miles northwest of Tampa. Police said the 52-year-old left a suicide note, but they did not disclose its contents. The mother found Palfrey, who had apparently hanged herself with nylon rope from the shed's ceiling.

Officers were outside the mother's white and pink home in the community of mostly retirees.

Must get pic of pink and white shed. And rope. Need rope.

Any guesses how her suicide note read?

Offline

 

#4 2008-05-01 16:51:42

pALEPHx wrote:

Any guesses how her suicide note read?

I'm betting The Smoking Gun will be doing their damnedest to get all possible documents on this one.

Offline

 

#5 2008-05-01 19:44:54

Let's see.

She's a Madam, and has information on hundreds of very important and influential clients.

And she's threatened to reveal it.

And now she's dead.

By suicide.

Umm... yeah.  OK.  I believe it was suicide.  Sure.

Send in the cleaners.

Last edited by whosasailorthen (2008-05-01 19:45:21)

Offline

 

#6 2008-05-01 20:01:19

I smell Arkancide.

Offline

 

#7 2008-05-01 20:56:21

A woman convicted just weeks ago of being the ''D.C. madam''

As Ken Lay has taught us the absolutely best time to die is after a Fedral conviction and before a sentencing. The charge is vacated as if they never existed and all fines and levys on the profits of your enterprise can not be coillected.

If you can't manage to arrange a permnanent absence it is also the best time to skip town as the penalties are the least.

Offline

 

#8 2008-05-01 21:19:11

whosasailorthen wrote:

Let's see.

She's a Madam, and has information on hundreds of very important and influential clients.

And she's threatened to reveal it.

And now she's dead.

By suicide.

Umm... yeah.  OK.  I believe it was suicide.  Sure.

Send in the cleaners.

Sure Sailor, [sarcasm=her top escort did the same thing last year.....[/sarcasm]

This was a well-educated woman that previously ran from a bust in San Diego. Sending a letter to officials stating the vice squad had a vendetta against her and she feared being tortured, or even murdered by the cops. We may never know who put the finger on her, but you can bet it was someone in some political office.  Possibly Dick Cheney?   Besides, she was a nice lady that fed neighborhood cats in Vallejo....

Offline

 

#9 2008-05-01 21:31:10

She was facing 55 years in prison. She was a whore and she got caught and she couldn't do the time.  End of story.  No conspiracy.

Offline

 

#10 2008-05-01 21:42:04

...and you're a lawyer?  I know from experience, most of them are stupid and only have the "ESQ" because they paid for it, but come on...how long have you been living in America?   Seriously, H, just what is the legal arena you work in?

Offline

 

#11 2008-05-01 22:13:47

I can't help but thinking that somehow, SOMEHOW, Richard Nixon was involved.

Offline

 

#12 2008-05-01 23:26:40

It’s only a coincidence when people who threaten the rich and powerful commit suicide or die suddenly.  The fact that it happens so often only shows that coincidence is a bigger part of life than most people realize.

Offline

 

#13 2008-05-01 23:44:31

fnord wrote:

It’s only a coincidence when people who threaten the rich and powerful commit suicide or die suddenly.  The fact that it happens so often only shows that coincidence is a bigger part of life than most people realize.

Fnord's a closet Jungian, it would seem.

Offline

 

#14 2008-05-01 23:51:14

jesusluvspegging wrote:

Fnord's....  closet Jungian

That might not be your best call.

Last edited by MSG Tripps (2008-05-01 23:52:19)

Offline

 

#15 2008-05-02 02:17:11

headkicker_girl wrote:

She was facing 55 years in prison. She was a whore and she got caught and she couldn't do the time.  End of story.  No conspiracy.

Wtf are you talking about? This is white collar crime where you get to spend a few years hobknobing in a Martha Stewart dorm with corporate scoflaws, money launderers. and mostly overeducated but well mannered drug kingpin wannabes.

With a clean prior record and no violence she would have qualified for a number of reduction points in the federal sentancing guidlines. Her biggest hit on the point reduction would be being the head of a conspiracy.48 months max.

What do you have against whores anyway?

Channing Phillips, the spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office in the District of Columbia, said that under sentencing guidelines, Palfrey faced about five or six years in prison. She was free while she awaited sentencing on July 24

Last edited by Johnny_Rotten (2008-05-02 02:20:05)

Offline

 

#16 2008-05-02 02:50:22

Johnny_Rotten wrote:

What do you have against whores anyway?

As a lawyer, I believe it's called "professional courtesy." ;)

I still go with her Ain't No Conspiracy Low Enough tack. If there's one thing that serves as a common denominator for a certain class of felons, then it's that their criminal enterprise was based primarily on taking the easy way out in life (works as well for brothel madams as corner-cutting CEOs). They don't react well to personal adversity or the threat of incarceration. Doing time, even a modest stint, is inconceivable...mostly because they're also the type of personality who expected not to get caught and/or to be punished if they were. It's not a very realistic lifestyle, thus not a very realistic death.

Since her demise partially absolves her estate, I wonder what happens to all that juicy dirt she was supposedly holding back on.

Offline

 

#17 2008-05-02 02:59:35

I thougnt it was already released to various news angencies. Doesn't Flynt have a copy of her raw telephone records? It is mostly just numbers and dates though and that take lots of research to generate actual tele account holders  and real names of clients. Especially for old tele account  records that are not current and may have been deleted from billing databases after the federaly mandated holding period.

Offline

 

#18 2008-05-02 04:16:43

Johnny_Rotten wrote:

Channing Phillips, the spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office in the District of Columbia, said that under sentencing guidelines, Palfrey faced about five or six years in prison. She was free while she awaited sentencing on July 24

She was convicted of money laundering, racketeering, and illegal use of the mail system.  The expected sentence last year was 4 to 8 years, but the maximum sentence if she was to serve all convictions end-to-end was 55 years.  Though most of the bobbleheads I heard talking about it didn't think she'd get the max, she was certainly looking at a few years in federal prison, and she'd been there before, so she knew what she was in for.  Her lawyer no doubt explained the risks to her.  Maybe she didn't want to live even five or six years in prison.

Last edited by tojo2000 (2008-05-02 04:24:00)

Offline

 

#19 2008-05-02 04:29:50

Maybe she planted a body double and, under the cover of night with the help of a renegade CIA agent, has escaped with untold millions to Bermuda where, with the otherworldly assistance of Anna Nicole Smith communicating through a vision of the Virgin Mary on a tortilla, she now lives in a secret island hideaway where she indulges her lascivious passions for scorching lesbo sex with hordes of hot, horny biker chicks and albino eunuch dwarfs.

You never know.

Offline

 

#20 2008-05-02 04:44:16

Taint wrote:

Maybe she planted a body double and, under the cover of night with the help of a renegade CIA agent, has escaped with untold millions to Bermuda where, with the otherworldly assistance of Anna Nicole Smith communicating through a vision of the Virgin Mary on a tortilla, she now lives in a secret island hideaway where she indulges her lascivious passions for scorching lesbo sex with hordes of hot, horny biker chicks and albino eunuch dwarfs.

You never know.

That's ridiculous!  They don't eat tortillas in Bermuda.

Offline

 

#21 2008-05-02 04:53:51

Taint- Maybe she planted a body double and, under the cover of night with the help of a renegade CIA agent, has escaped with untold millions to Bermuda where, with the otherworldly assistance of Anna Nicole Smith communicating through a vision of the Virgin Mary on a tortilla, she now lives in a secret island hideaway where she indulges her lascivious passions for scorching lesbo sex with hordes of hot, horny biker chicks and albino eunuch dwarfs.

You never know.

Pfff, utterly ridiculous. While if you get down real low it is quite possible to hear the otherworldy utternces of Ms. Smith, everyone knows it is nearly impossible to understand them.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/3894/ansdown1db5.jpg

Last edited by Johnny_Rotten (2008-05-02 04:56:12)

Offline

 

#22 2008-05-02 08:24:08

Lurker wrote:

...and you're a lawyer?  I know from experience, most of them are stupid and only have the "ESQ" because they paid for it, but come on...how long have you been living in America?   Seriously, H, just what is the legal arena you work in?

I work in the legal arena of reality.  Your imagination would not stand up in a court of law.  Show me the EVIDENCE that points to anything other than a suicide.  The fact that she fucked famous people does not make this anything other than a suicide without other evidence.

Offline

 

#23 2008-05-02 08:30:24

tojo2000 wrote:

She was convicted of money laundering, racketeering, and illegal use of the mail system.  The expected sentence last year was 4 to 8 years, but the maximum sentence if she was to serve all convictions end-to-end was 55 years.  Though most of the bobbleheads I heard talking about it didn't think she'd get the max, she was certainly looking at a few years in federal prison, and she'd been there before, so she knew what she was in for.  Her lawyer no doubt explained the risks to her.  Maybe she didn't want to live even five or six years in prison.

Exactly.  As Pale said, this was a bitch who was used to taking the easy way out.  She didn't have to be a whore.  She could have worked a legitimate job rather than engaging in a criminal enterprise.

I couldn't do 6 years in federal prison, but I've made the choice to live a clean life so it's not very likely that I'll ever face that option.  Most whores are not smart, stable, emotionally balanced women anyway, so I don't see why anyone is so surprised that she once again too the easy way out.

Offline

 

#24 2008-05-02 08:50:04

headkicker_girl wrote:

Exactly.  As Pale said, this was a bitch who was used to taking the easy way out.  She didn't have to be a whore.  She could have worked a legitimate job rather than engaging in a criminal enterprise.

I couldn't do 6 years in federal prison, but I've made the choice to live a clean life so it's not very likely that I'll ever face that option.  Most whores are not smart, stable, emotionally balanced women anyway, so I don't see why anyone is so surprised that she once again too the easy way out.

Wow.  I usually don't tee off on anyone, least of all you HK, but where did you get this streak of righteous indignation, anyway?  Nobody "has" to be anything other than a lump of flesh.  Legitimate job?  A lot of jobs are fucking stupid, have little purpose other than to wring money out of others, to make or sell useless or harmful products, shuffle paper, etc.  Other than standing on mere legality, what makes running an escort/call girl service so much less "legitimate" than a million other occupations?  (Just to cut off an argument, I do not frequent, have never made use of, any such service.)  It is legal to be an absolute shit landlord, or to lobby for any number of exploitive and detrimental interests, or to be Sean Hannity, so why is this so bad?  I think we waste our resources banning and policing what is often referred to as "the oldest profession."

Oh, I also wanted to congratulate you on living a "clean" life.  Three fucking cheers for you.  That said, I still love you.

Offline

 

#25 2008-05-02 09:14:46

Fled wrote:

Wow.  I usually don't tee off on anyone, least of all you HK, but where did you get this streak of righteous indignation, anyway?  Nobody "has" to be anything other than a lump of flesh.  Legitimate job?  A lot of jobs are fucking stupid, have little purpose other than to wring money out of others, to make or sell useless or harmful products, shuffle paper, etc.  Other than standing on mere legality, what makes running an escort/call girl service so much less "legitimate" than a million other occupations?  (Just to cut off an argument, I do not frequent, have never made use of, any such service.)  It is legal to be an absolute shit landlord, or to lobby for any number of exploitive and detrimental interests, or to be Sean Hannity, so why is this so bad?  I think we waste our resources banning and policing what is often referred to as "the oldest profession."

Oh, I also wanted to congratulate you on living a "clean" life.  Three fucking cheers for you.  That said, I still love you.

I didn't make the rules.  I just follow them because I can't accept the consequences of doing otherwise.  There is no "righteous indignation" here.  If some bitch wants to wear her pussy out at the Bunny Ranch or any LEGAL venue of prostitution, I'm all for it.  But don't fucking whine when you do something ILLEGAL and get caught...fucking suck it up like Heidi Fleiss did.

Offline

 

#26 2008-05-02 10:07:57

headkicker_girl wrote:

If some bitch wants to wear her pussy out at the Bunny Ranch or any LEGAL venue of prostitution, I'm all for it.  But don't fucking whine when you do something ILLEGAL and get caught...fucking suck it up like Heidi Fleiss did.

Agreed.  She thought ratting out her clients would help her somehow, which was lame and a betrayal of sorts. 

It is irritating that only she was prosecuted.  If the madame is going to be prosecuted, the john should as well.

Offline

 

#27 2008-05-02 10:26:20

headkicker_girl wrote:

She was facing 55 years in prison. She was a whore and she got caught and she couldn't do the time.  End of story.  No conspiracy.

Of course there's the story of the defendant, an elderly man, who had been convicted of grand theft. In sentencing the judge gave him 30 years.  The old man moaned to the judge "Hell, your honor, I'll never live that long!"  to which the judge replied "That's fine.  We only ask that you do your best."

Offline

 

#29 2008-05-02 17:07:37

At least that will stop people from harping on Vince Foster all the time. Was there no room on that page for the other 4000+ American corpses Dubya is responsible for?

Offline

 

#30 2008-05-02 17:21:35

pALEPHx wrote:

At least that will stop people from harping on Vince Foster all the time. Was there no room on that page for the other 4000+ American corpses Dubya is responsible for?

Those weren't all that mysterious.

Offline

 

#31 2008-05-02 17:31:10

tojo2000 wrote:

Those weren't all that mysterious.

Tell that to the Tillman family.

Offline

 

#32 2008-05-02 20:36:37

Headkickergrrl wrote:

I work in the legal arena of reality.

No such animal....

wrote:

Tell that to the Tillman family.

FUCK THE TILLMAN FAMILY!

Offline

 

#33 2008-05-02 22:14:18

sic

headkicker_girl wrote:

She was facing 55 years in prison. She was a whore and she got caught and she couldn't do the time.  End of story.  No conspiracy.

A LARGE number (possibly majority?) of D.C. professionals have Juris Doctorate degrees.  It was not ONLY politicos that had something to worry about.  You don't need a Zapruder film to connect the dots on this one.  Seems to be a Spitzer blowback to me.

                                                                              http://i27.tinypic.com/np3v5e.jpg

Offline

 

#34 2008-05-02 22:24:03

sic wrote:

headkicker_girl wrote:

She was facing 55 years in prison. She was a whore and she got caught and she couldn't do the time.  End of story.  No conspiracy.

A LARGE number (possibly majority?) of D.C. professionals have Juris Doctorate degrees.  It was not ONLY politicos that had something to worry about.  You don't need a Zapruder film to connect the dots on this one.  Seems to be a Spitzer blowback to me.

                                                                              http://i27.tinypic.com/np3v5e.jpg

You've got your chronology backwards.

Offline

 

#35 2008-05-02 22:32:58

sic

How so? power and sex go as far back as the flint and the kindling

Offline

 

#36 2008-05-02 22:38:21

sic wrote:

How so? power and sex go as far back as the flint and the kindling

True, but Elliot Spitzer is hardly eternal.

Offline

 

#37 2008-05-02 22:50:33

sic wrote:

A LARGE number (possibly majority?) of D.C. professionals have Juris Doctorate degrees.  It was not ONLY politicos that had something to worry about.  You don't need a Zapruder film to connect the dots on this one.  Seems to be a Spitzer blowback to me.

Evidence?  Anyone ever heard of it?   Sure someone COULD have killed her, but the only evidence is your imagination, which, again, does not stand up in a court of law.

Offline

 

#38 2008-05-02 23:01:44

sic

tojo2000 wrote:

sic wrote:

How so? power and sex go as far back as the flint and the kindling

True, but Elliot Spitzer is hardly eternal.

Yeah, I know.  He's not the first (NY) Gov. to be corrupted, and won't be the last, but that gaff has some legs to run on.  I mean, the sheriff of Wall Street that couldn't be bought is brought down by the most obvious temptress?  Come on: Sputzer had long-term goals which included an extended D.C. stay. That, however, was derailed by a peice of tail...Again, not the first, not the last, but the most recent.

http://i26.tinypic.com/2s9u3pc.jpg

Offline

 

#39 2008-05-02 23:40:24

headkicker_girl wrote:

sic wrote:

A LARGE number (possibly majority?) of D.C. professionals have Juris Doctorate degrees.  It was not ONLY politicos that had something to worry about.  You don't need a Zapruder film to connect the dots on this one.  Seems to be a Spitzer blowback to me.

Evidence?  Anyone ever heard of it?   Sure someone COULD have killed her, but the only evidence is your imagination, which, again, does not stand up in a court of law.

Not to mention that she as much as said that she would do anything to avoid going to prison again.  I believe the words were something to the effect of "I'm sure as heck not going to do one day of prison time, much less four to eight years."**

**I'm too lazy to look upt the exact words, but it was pretty close.

Offline

 

#40 2008-05-02 23:41:03

headkicker_girl wrote:

sic wrote:

A LARGE number (possibly majority?) of D.C. professionals have Juris Doctorate degrees.  It was not ONLY politicos that had something to worry about.  You don't need a Zapruder film to connect the dots on this one.  Seems to be a Spitzer blowback to me.

Evidence?  Anyone ever heard of it?   Sure someone COULD have killed her, but the only evidence is your imagination, which, again, does not stand up in a court of law.

Come here, I have something magic to show you.  Don't worry, everyone does this, but it's VERY important that you don't tell anyone.


...seriously, though, all digs at naiveté aside, at the very least you HAVE to admit that this deserves a thorough and impartial (like such a thing exists in any of the various US police forces (federal, state, or local (note nested parentheticals: drunk geek)) these days) investigation.

Offline

 

#41 2008-05-02 23:52:52

sic

headkicker_girl wrote:

sic wrote:

A LARGE number (possibly majority?) of D.C. professionals have Juris Doctorate degrees.  It was not ONLY politicos that had something to worry about.  You don't need a Zapruder film to connect the dots on this one.  Seems to be a Spitzer blowback to me.

Evidence?  Anyone ever heard of it?   Sure someone COULD have killed her, but the only evidence is your imagination, which, again, does not stand up in a court of law.

Just needs a bit of time.  The 'suicide' is still warm.  This will more than likely get swept under the rug, but in time, someday, the records will be (re)opened.  From a historical perspective, at least 15 years has to pass before anyone is willing to talk, or facts can be verified.  There are many books that are hitting the market now about late '70s early '80s drug running and who was involved.  Some of the (CRAZY) theories of yesteryear aren't looking so odd...{a'hem/crack/a'hem}

Give me shit if you like, but the fact is that the Tuskegee experiments DID happen.  The Government can and will _________....

Last edited by choad (2008-08-16 09:49:19)

Offline

 

#42 2008-05-03 00:04:57

jesusluvspegging wrote:

Come here, I have something magic to show you.  Don't worry, everyone does this, but it's VERY important that you don't tell anyone.


...seriously, though, all digs at naiveté aside, at the very least you HAVE to admit that this deserves a thorough and impartial (like such a thing exists in any of the various US police forces (federal, state, or local (note nested parentheticals: drunk geek)) these days) investigation.

No, I would disagree that this merits a serious investigation.  Ken Starr thought the Clintons merited a a thorough investigation and he came up with jack shit at the taxpayers expense. 

If it looks like a suicide, it's a suicide unless the forensic evidence suggests otherwise.

Offline

 

#43 2008-05-03 00:06:46

headkicker_girl wrote:

jesusluvspegging wrote:

Come here, I have something magic to show you.  Don't worry, everyone does this, but it's VERY important that you don't tell anyone.


...seriously, though, all digs at naiveté aside, at the very least you HAVE to admit that this deserves a thorough and impartial (like such a thing exists in any of the various US police forces (federal, state, or local (note nested parentheticals: drunk geek)) these days) investigation.

No, I would disagree that this merits a serious investigation.  Ken Starr thought the Clintons merited a a thorough investigation and he came up with jack shit at the taxpayers expense. 

If it looks like a suicide, it's a suicide unless the forensic evidence suggests otherwise.

and jesus loves you and kitty is in heaven now

Offline

 

#44 2008-05-03 00:08:44

jesusluvspegging wrote:

and jesus loves you and kitty is in heaven now

Dude, lay off the weed.  I remember back in my smoking days everything looked like a conspiracy.  It would be nice if the world were that interesting, but it just isn't.

Offline

 

#45 2008-05-03 00:24:18

sic

Interesting world...A "Madam" in the Victorian sense of the word, in charge of the best game in town {D-friggin'-C} ends up dead.  Yeah, business as usuall, nothing to see here...
                                                         http://i29.tinypic.com/8vx7yu.jpg

Last edited by sic (2008-05-03 00:25:00)

Offline

 

#46 2008-05-03 00:32:09

headkicker_girl wrote:

jesusluvspegging wrote:

and jesus loves you and kitty is in heaven now

Dude, lay off the weed.  I remember back in my smoking days everything looked like a conspiracy.  It would be nice if the world were that interesting, but it just isn't.

You have a fine point there, actually, but i'd rather be too paranoid than not paranoid enoughl.

Offline

 

#47 2008-05-03 00:45:11

sic wrote:

Interesting world...A "Madam" in the Victorian sense of the word, in charge of the best game in town {D-friggin'-C} ends up dead.  Yeah, business as usuall, nothing to see here...

Yeah, it's not like hookers and porn stars have an unusually high suicide rate or anything...

Offline

 

#48 2008-05-03 00:58:34

headkicker_girl wrote:

sic wrote:

Interesting world...A "Madam" in the Victorian sense of the word, in charge of the best game in town {D-friggin'-C} ends up dead.  Yeah, business as usuall, nothing to see here...

Yeah, it's not like hookers and porn stars have an unusually high suicide rate or anything...

STOP PEEIN IN OUR FUN GODDAMN IT.

Offline

 

#49 2008-05-03 01:01:11

jesusluvspegging wrote:

headkicker_girl wrote:

sic wrote:

Interesting world...A "Madam" in the Victorian sense of the word, in charge of the best game in town {D-friggin'-C} ends up dead.  Yeah, business as usuall, nothing to see here...

Yeah, it's not like hookers and porn stars have an unusually high suicide rate or anything...

STOP PEEIN IN OUR FUN GODDAMN IT.

ok, that one came out all caps.  either that earlier comment i wondered about the caps on was fucking hallucinatory and i did capitalize the first letter of teach "word" (i typoed that wrod but thought y'all won'dt believe it because of the quotation marks  so i actually fixed it) or the caps-breaking algorithm is fucking complex is hell.

and yes i've edited thuis as i fucked up parallel structure real bad

Last edited by jesusluvspegging (2008-05-03 01:02:01)

Offline

 

#50 2008-05-03 01:05:04

jesusluvspegging wrote:

ok, that one came out all caps.  either that earlier comment i wondered about the caps on was fucking hallucinatory and i did capitalize the first letter of teach "word" (i typoed that wrod but thought y'all won'dt believe it because of the quotation marks  so i actually fixed it) or the caps-breaking algorithm is fucking complex is hell.

and yes i've edited thuis as i fucked up parallel structure real bad

Tomorrow, if you still feel like it with your pounding headache I'd be interested to find out what you thought you were typing.

Offline

 

Board footer

cruelery.com