If the subhead didn't say it already, I would have mentioned Mussolini because that was exactly what I thought of. It also reminds me of the kids who used to tap dance with bottlecaps on their sneakers in the French Quarter of New Orleans. These brats made $40-60K per year, somehow...but to fingerprint them would have drawn similar hue and cry from the black community. The reason the Italian authorities concoct seems utterly ridiculous. Every good fascist knows you should just do everybody when you're trying to single out one class or group.

fnord wrote:

one of the biggest hazards

Kind of a wimp; are we?

Yep, kind of a wimp.

im in ur pockits
stealin ur monies

whosasailorthen wrote:

Gypsies are a mess in Europe.

Sure thing, I hope you never have to deal with anything more serious.

pALEPHx wrote:

These brats made $40-60K per year, somehow

WTF are you smoking? I'm from New Orleans and lived and worked in the French Qtr for many years. If one of those kids made like $5 they would immediately stop and go and buy candy and sodas and bullshit, got bored and went and danced some more. They did this shit everyday through the hottest parts of the day all summer long. I always hated the little fuckers, and would have hated them more if they actually made money, alas it is not so.

What's up, pALEPHx?

How is it working out for you?

Your call.

Kicked another year in the ass.

I cry over extremely little.

Suck assed analogy [Liza Minnelli].  Get a grip.  [Or, fuck it, don't.]

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pALEPHx wrote:

orangeplus wrote:

I always hated the little fuckers, and would have hated them more if they actually made money, alas it is not so.

Perhaps I am remembering it incorrectly, but I recall reading an article in the paper the year I lived on Decatur they did some exposé of the sort they probably run every other year just to piss people off. In it, they profiled several people out in Metarie who had "panhandler's licenses" and raked in tens of thousands from drunken tourists in the course of a year. Maybe it was not the kids with the dance routines, but someone was making enough to afford a mortgage outside the Quarter. The reason the article stuck with me was its description of how these people would intentionally dress down and "muck themselves up" to appear destitute.

I have been to Nawlins several times. I see them dance and throw a couple of bucks in. They grab it out of thier box right away and stuff it in thier pocket so thier box looks empty still for the next passerby. Yeah, they make money.

Most of Europe hates them; Italy because of a highly publicized murder and alleged babysnatching.

I used to know a pack of US gypsies who rented a storefront for psychic readings next door to my work.  Upstairs 4 generations, comprising over a dozen inbred people, all ate fucked and birthed without a kitchen or bathroom in a single room that was not zoned for residential use.  I was surprised they didn’t have straw on the floor.  It was medieval.

George Orr wrote:

What little I know of Gypsy culture points to parasitism on other cultures--thieving, con games, etc.

Is it the Gypsy culture that's causing this reaction among other Europeans, or is it just classic bigotry?

What I'm asking is, do the majority of Gypsies expect to be allowed to carry on as squatting thieving nomads, or are they trying to assimilate into larger Europe and being rejected?

The gypsies began their peregrinations from northern India, about a thousand years ago, and they speak an evolved form of circa 11th century Hindustani. The gypsies that remain in India are hindus, but the european gypsies are mostly xian e. ortho. xian with traces, especially around matters of virginity, marriage, and family dynamics, of hinduism. I believe the Indian gyppos also have a reputation for cheating and stealing, so that much may be cultural - or it may be a perception foisted upon all nomadic people. The fact that gadje (non-gypsies) have persecuted the hell out of romani (their word for gypsies) is equally cultural - ja wohl? They wander around and try to survive...we blame them for shit and try to kill them. Pretty much the same game as we play with the jews, except nobody's offered to repatriate the romani to somebody else's land in the north of India (our old testament's better than their old testament). Hmmm...there's a decent Wiki so I'll shut up. Here's some Indian gyppos...I'd hit some of them.... (But it would have to be rape. Gypsies think we're unclean - they won't touch us, let alone steal our babies. Oh well.

George Orr wrote:

The U.S. has its own "gypsies," about which little is known.  They don't seem to be kin to European Gypsies, though--they're very white and cracker-ish.  They left a wide wake of criminality through the Southeast when I was a child.

Yes - I read about that in East of Eden. If they're not kin to the Euro-Gyppos then they're not Romani, thus not really gyppos, except insofar as the word "gypsy" is a pejorative term referring to any peregrinating purloiner. They're a wildly proud bunch...descended from the kshatriya as many of them claim to be...they're assimilating somewhat...not as well as the jews...but don't expect them to shake your hand.

George Orr wrote:

That's very informative, but it doesn't answer my question...I was wondering if the Gypsies, at large, want to join the 21st Century (Euro-style) and be "assimilated," or do they want to continue their ancient nomadic traditions?  I can't see the latter being tolerated; but if they won't "de-Gypsy," so to speak, we may be looking at a genuine ethnic cleansing in the near future.

Ah, the age old call to do something about the problem peoples. Your premonition would not be the first scrubbing our society has effected on the afflicted.



God forbid they should not assimilate to our satisfaction, we might end up like Canada

Snark aside, there are a number of ways to view the causitive agents of what keeps a culture seperate amongst classes that come to dominate certain areas of crime and class in our society.

It took the better part of 2 generations and the eventual tyranny of numbers inherent to our democratic process for the Irish to be conidered human by much of the North East's civil society.

The same result may or may not have finally come about for a certain other ethnic culture in my suburban hometown outside philly.



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