The Wikipedia article on this terrorist sure is damning.  I mean, all Ayers did was plant bombs on US soil.  It's not as if he did the seriously "terroristy" things Singlaub did like parachuting behind German lines in WWII or earn terrorist awards like the Silver Star, Legion of Merit, Bronze Star, Air Medal and Purple Heart.  It's hard to believe any former US serviceman let alone Congressman would have anything to do with such a reprobate.

This one is right out of James II's world.

Zookeeper wrote:

The Wikipedia article on this terrorist sure is damning.  I mean, all Ayers did was plant bombs on US soil.  It's not as if he did the seriously "terroristy" things Singlaub did like parachuting behind German lines in WWII or earn terrorist awards like the Silver Star, Legion of Merit, Bronze Star, Air Medal and Purple Heart.  It's hard to believe any former US serviceman let alone Congressman would have anything to do with such a reprobate.

This one is right out of James II's world.

Obama was 8-years-old when Ayers had his affiliation with the Weather Underground.

In this case, Singlaub was a family friend and actively involved in promoting terrorist activities in Latin America when McCain had his relationship with him. 

The U.S. Council for World Freedom was part of an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America. The group was dedicated to stamping out communism around the globe.

On the level of  seriousness, McCain's relationship with Singlaub, an active terrorist at the time, is much more damaging that Obama's relationship with a college professor, which is what Ayers was when Obama met him, who had been out of the so-called terrorism game for over 30 years.

PS -- Palin is still a cunt.

phreddy wrote:

headkicker_girl wrote:

For a man living in a glass house, McCain sure likes to throw stones.

Some of us would call this man and his fight against the Sandinistas patriotic. 

Obama's relationship with Ayers will be coming out over the next few days now that documentation has finally been released.  Seems Ayers raised hundreds of millions of dollars to indoctrinate Chicago's kids into radicalism, and Obama was hired to distribute the money to the various "programs".

Yeah, and some, who were the in the path of the contras, would call them terrorists.  I guess it depends on whether you, as a civilian, want to LIVE or you want to help the US crush communism.  I think most people would choose life.

Also, where's a source for your assertion on Ayers, or is this going to be one of your usual unsubstantiated posts.

Headkicker wrote:

Also, where's a source for your assertion on Ayers, or is this going to be one of your usual unsubstantiated posts.

Well, of course I have a source.  And, if the American people ever wake up they'll be appalled by the reality that is your anointed one.  Read this Wall Street Journal article on the association of Ayers and Obama.

O noes communism!

phreddy wrote:

Headkicker wrote:

Also, where's a source for your assertion on Ayers, or is this going to be one of your usual unsubstantiated posts.

Well, of course I have a source.  And, if the American people ever wake up they'll be appalled by the reality that is your anointed one.  Read this Wall Street Journal article on the association of Ayers and Obama.

Yes, an OPINION column counts as an objective news story.  It's not.  This artlcle is about as distorted and biased as they come.

I grew up in Chicago.  I went through its school system.  I am actually familiar with the CAC (and other organizations like it) and there mission.  It had nothing to do with spreading a radical agenda and everything to do with trying creating solutions to engage students who are at risk.  There is a huge disparity here.  What works in educating middle class kids doesn't work on the West Side of Chicago.  At the time, it was thought that if you introduce these kids to afrocentrism and find something that interested them on a personal level, then they would connect with education.  That is just one example,  and of coursr, this was of course fought vigorously by the schools, as it interfered with their existing curriculum that wasn't working.  Their reisistance to CAC is the same resistance they have to charter schools.  They don't want any competition.

Also, I'm on the board of non-profit right now that is pretty powerful.  I don't know the political affiliation of any of the other board members, nor do I care.  I am only concerned with carrying our the mission of the board.  I am also not involved in the day-to-day operation of the organization.  To say that Obama's role as a board member makes him an accomplice to acts that occurred 40 years prior is just ridiculous.

PS -- I actually worked on a project with Ayer's wife, who is also an attorney.  I guess that means I have ties to terrorists too.

headkicker_girl wrote:

I guess that means I have ties to terrorists too.

Yes, that's exactly what it means.





To idiots.

Dmtdust wrote:

Follow the Money!

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Seeing as we organized the Contras tho over throw a legally elected gov't... damn, that is patriotic.  We financed them with the cocaine the contras were running into the US with CIA collusion, Damn that is Patriotic!  Using that money to buy equipment from the Ayatollah.... Damn that is Patriotic!

Dusty, in Sean Hannity's America overthrowing legitimate govenments while hooking your own citizens on a highly addictive drug  is the height of patriotism, you fucking commie bastard.

headkicker_girl wrote:

PS -- I actually worked on a project with Ayer's wife, who is also an attorney.  I guess that means I have ties to terrorists too.

No, but if you had worked with Ayers' old girlfriend (the one who blew herself up while working on a frag bomb for the terrorist group she and Ayers belonged to) then you would be.  And if she and Ayers had supported your bid for office the ways Ayers did Obama then even more so.  Call me up tight but I wouldn't want to associate myself (or my campaign if I were running for office) with a bomber.

Dmtdust wrote:

Follow the Money!

Contras and Cocaine In The US!

That was not a new M.O.

Dirty little wars inspire strange bedfellows.

SOP...

Keeping the Proles in line with a little chemical inducement....

The Template: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars

It is a little more covert now days... It's a dirty dark little world of money, drugs, lawyers... assholes.

Zookeeper wrote:

headkicker_girl wrote:

Zookeeper wrote:

You know HKH, nowhere in the article you linked to is The U.S. Council for World Freedom described as a terrorist organization nor is Maj. Gen. John Singlaub referred to as a terrorist (active or otherwise).  So I guess this thread is just another example of a "Lie from the Left" not to mention an attempt to "Demonize the Right".  You represent the Left so well.  You really should run for office.

1.   To think that no terrorism was involved in supporting the Contras is just ridiculous.

So you consider every member of the US government who supported the Contras guilty of having supported terrorism, right?   

headkicker_girl wrote:

2.  If that's your criteria, no where is the CAC, Aver's organization, described as a terrorist organization, and thus the linking of Obama to terrorists is equally assinine.

The Weathermen were indeed identified as a terrorist group by the FBI.  Ayers personally participated in the bombings of said terrorist group.  Try to keep up...

So, the fact that McCain had a relationship with the Keating 5 makes him an accomplice to fraud, by your own definition. I guess it would be safe to say that McCain pals around with criminals since Charles Keating did go to jail....

Wow, just wow....  I can't think of any better way of keeping ghetto kids in the ghetto than indoctorinating them with a victim mentality and communism/socialism.....  "Let's teach these kids how bad whitey is and how unfairly they've been treated then teach them to expect money from the government!!".....  There is a place for social programs when a person has short term unemployment or when natural disaster strikes, but if you're able bodied and can work you need to be supporting yourself like an adult....  Far too many people out there are on government assistance and it's just so incredibly natural to them and they even expect it...  If a person is accepting government assistance they should be embarrassed about it....  They should be embarrassed because they are LIVING OFF OF SOMONE ELSE'S MONEY!!!!  If they want those kids out of the ghetto and living their lives as productive adults they need to teach them skills that they can use to get a JOB....  I would rather rob someone at gunpoint than rob them by taking government assistance, robbing someone at gunpoint just seems so much more honest to me..........

headkicker_girl wrote:

Zookeeper wrote:

headkicker_girl wrote:

1.   To think that no terrorism was involved in supporting the Contras is just ridiculous.

So you consider every member of the US government who supported the Contras guilty of having supported terrorism, right?   

headkicker_girl wrote:

2.  If that's your criteria, no where is the CAC, Aver's organization, described as a terrorist organization, and thus the linking of Obama to terrorists is equally assinine.

The Weathermen were indeed identified as a terrorist group by the FBI.  Ayers personally participated in the bombings of said terrorist group.  Try to keep up...

So, the fact that McCain had a relationship with the Keating 5 makes him an accomplice to fraud, by your own definition.

"Accomplice?"  When did I ever say that Obama was an "accomplice" to terrorism? 

headkicker_girl wrote:

I guess it would be safe to say that McCain pals around with criminals since Charles Keating did go to jail....

I wouldn't get my underwear in a bunch over it like you if that's what you mean.  I've got no problem with the Obama campaign calling McCain on that association.  Fair game.  Too bad you can't be as objective.

Hm, think I'll stir the shit a bit.

What about McCain's association with G. Gordon "go for a headshot" Liddy?

What a group of outstanding citizens.  Sounds like the people I'd least like to have lunch with.

Dirckman wrote:

Wow, just wow....  I can't think of any better way of keeping ghetto kids in the ghetto than indoctorinating them with a victim mentality and communism/socialism.....  "Let's teach these kids how bad whitey is and how unfairly they've been treated then teach them to expect money from the government!!".....  There is a place for social programs when a person has short term unemployment or when natural disaster strikes, but if you're able bodied and can work you need to be supporting yourself like an adult....  Far too many people out there are on government assistance and it's just so incredibly natural to them and they even expect it...  If a person is accepting government assistance they should be embarrassed about it....  They should be embarrassed because they are LIVING OFF OF SOMONE ELSE'S MONEY!!!!  If they want those kids out of the ghetto and living their lives as productive adults they need to teach them skills that they can use to get a JOB....  I would rather rob someone at gunpoint than rob them by taking government assistance, robbing someone at gunpoint just seems so much more honest to me..........

Did is say that was what the programs were about?  People on the right have a hard time with reality.  It teaches them about Africa and great African civilizations to try to connect them with a history that is unrelated to slavery and oppression.  It tries to do the exact opposite of what you suggest.  There was no victim indoctrination and no socialist agenda.  I have problems with the program for other reasons, based purely on academic merit, but you are dead wrong.

Also, THE MONEY WAS ALL PRIVATE SECTOR MONEY.  There were no government handouts involved, which is what you libertarians espouse.

pALEPHx wrote:

tojo2000 wrote:

Fred Schlafly, Phyllis' husband

O noes. Not PHYLLIS' HUSBAND! Run, flee.

Ever since she hit menopause you don't want to be around either of them.