Emmeran wrote:

...this is spoken as one who served in order to insure the right of others to disagee with his views.

Right - Like when Granada was threatening to revoke our First Amendment rights?  Yeah, that was fucking close.

tojo2000 wrote:

Who are you talking to?

My friend this is the legacy of the 60's; how our military is somehow responsible for following orders.  As a rule the military is apolitical to a fault; we accept our failures as My Lai, etc; however beyond that we are merely an extension of the public will.

The disenfranchisement occured with the rise of conciousness in the sixties; to the point of ostracization of the very ones that served.  Those involved in that disenfranchisment did not mean harm, they merely got caught up in the excitement of the age.   But those days are gone.

MoveOn.org's portaitisation of General Petraeus as a betrayer is a classic example; the man is the leading mind in modern military strategy having embraced the low intensity conflict works of Chesty Puller, et al.  Yet rather than laud his works within the mission he was assigned they choose to belittle and insult him for performing his duty.

Please expain that?

Last edited by Emmeran (2008-11-13 00:33:37)

MSG Tripps wrote:

Emmeran wrote:

Please expain that?

Many find it easier to place blame externally then to take a good look in a mirror.

choad wrote:

Standing armies always strive to empire and exploit the weak. Fuck 'em.

Fucking A Bubba.  The attempted coup d’état here [USA] in [place any date] was a great example of US Military striving "to empire".  Fuck you. [Existentially speaking, of course.]

Look, I acknowledge most of Em's point that accountability has to be taken by the people for our policies and that the modern military strives to follow the rule of law and mandate to be apolitical.

But the Hammer doesn't just exist unto itself, in our modern miltitary establishment a great hammer industry yearns to see hammers whacked.


So much of the hammer can not now be considered seperate from this industry that designs, builds, sells and benefits from every swing.

Somehow the Army would spend $50,000 buying a copy of the book on how to build a missile for $5,000.