Poll
| Hell Yes! Censorship sucks! | 74% - 20 | |||||
| Hell No! Somebody has to protect us from the trolls! | 25% - 7 | |||||
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#1 2008-09-16 11:39:26
I need something to distract me from the work I should be doing. So here's a new poll that should be good for a little noise. I wonder how the princess will vote...
[correction to poll title: that should read "moderator" rather than "admin". pALEPHx is only a moderator.]
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#2 2008-09-16 11:42:20
I hope more people vote.
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#3 2008-09-16 11:42:22
I vote in favor of Maximum Internet Drama.
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#4 2008-09-16 11:54:59
Oh, hey, quick question: Is he actually deleting posts or are we having a lynching?
...'cause I'm cool with it either way, but I'd like to know.
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#5 2008-09-16 12:13:26
Oh, please.
Pale hasn't deleted anything and to talk about revoking anyone's anything is fucking ridiculous.
So he had a spot of PMS and did a little ranting. Who hasn't done that? Does anyone honestly want to trade Pale for Princess Biscuit when no "trade" is even necessary?
Way to throw gasoline on the embers of a dying blaze, Zoo.
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#6 2008-09-16 12:22:45
I thought the role of a Zookeeper was to keep the animals calm.
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#7 2008-09-16 12:24:36
George Orr wrote:
Oh, please. Pale hasn't deleted anything and to talk about revoking anyone's anything is fucking ridiculous.
Yes, he has. He said so himself. I quote:
pALEPHx wrote:
I just deleted another one of its insipid threads, and it had better not reappear.
So yes George, he has deleted posts. Get your own facts straight.
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#8 2008-09-16 12:30:59
George Orr wrote:
Way to throw gasoline on the embers of a dying blaze, Zoo.
Fucking brilliant, Zooks. [/sarcasm]
1. I'm not an admin.
2. I pull Princess Bisquick threads, not posts.
3. It won't be happening again.
4. Ultimately, it's not up to you.
It's not worth my time. You're not worth it. And I just don't care anymore.
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#9 2008-09-16 12:31:42
sofaking wrote:
I thought the role of a Zookeeper was to keep the animals calm.
Not at all. The crowd loves to see the animals all stirred up. Nobody likes a zoo full of sleeping animals.
Seriously, there are 11 admins on this site and 12 moderators. Does it really take that many cooks to spoil this soup?
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#10 2008-09-16 12:31:56
I'm voting for Cthulhu. Why choose the lessor evil? That's how I'm voting in the presidential election too. Let's make things worse by bringing politics into this thread.
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#11 2008-09-16 12:34:14
Zookeeper wrote:
George Orr wrote:
Oh, please. Pale hasn't deleted anything and to talk about revoking anyone's anything is fucking ridiculous.
Yes, he has. He said so himself. I quote:
pALEPHx wrote:
I just deleted another one of its insipid threads, and it had better not reappear.
So yes George, he has deleted posts. Get your own facts straight.
Nothing that is deleted disappears; it just gets moved off the Forum. The "deleted" thread is available on "Irregulars." (It is not worth hunting for.)
You are using the word deleted out of context to mislead.
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#12 2008-09-16 12:39:14
George Orr wrote:
Nothing that is deleted disappears; it just gets moved off the Forum. The "deleted" thread is available on "Irregulars." (It is not worth hunting for.) You are using the word deleted out of context to mislead.
Bloody hell George, pALEPHx said he deleted them. I was taking his word on it. If "deleted" doesn't really mean "deleted" but rather "moved off to some place nobody will ever see it" then I hardly see the point in drawing a distinction. Clearly pALEPHx didn't since it was his choice of word.
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#13 2008-09-16 12:42:07
Zookeeper wrote:
George Orr wrote:
Oh, please. Pale hasn't deleted anything and to talk about revoking anyone's anything is fucking ridiculous.
Yes, he has. He said so himself. I quote:
pALEPHx wrote:
I just deleted another one of its insipid threads, and it had better not reappear.
So yes George, he has deleted posts. Get your own facts straight.
Leave George alone, she's old.
You gotta give the old broad a little extra leeway outta respekt...
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#14 2008-09-16 12:42:09
Zookeeper wrote:
So yes George, he has deleted posts. Get your own facts straight.
Leave her the fuck alone, you glass cock-sucking reprobate.
I stand by my decisions. Why not? Nobody else does. If people would prefer to have an anonymous shitball posting My Little Pony crap over and over without interacting, then so be it. But don't make it appear as if I'm deleting posts. You know perfectly well what the implication is there, and it's not the same as raking the drivel out of sight before it becomes just another troll-feeder.
I'm not editing anybody else. I leave the stiletto'd kittens. I even leave Dhal's soporific vitriol. Don't suggest I'm secretly wandering HS deleting various people's posts when it's really only one very deserving individual. Maybe you don't view what it does as crapping on your forum, but I do, and while no one has ever officially told me to stop, I will be stopping. You deserve all the Princess Bullshit posts you can possibly ignore.
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#15 2008-09-16 12:44:58
pALEPHx said he deleted them. I was taking his word on it. If "deleted" doesn't really mean "deleted" but rather "moved off to some place nobody will ever see it" then I hardly see the point in drawing a distinction.
I withdraw my accusation of deliberately misleading.
However, it surprises me that you've not navigated the site enough to see the different fora available at the very bottom of the page (look for "Jump to").
(...Or is it that only the Chosen [admins & mods] get to see those options?)
[edit] Whatever your motivations, I see that you've succeeded in stirring this dead shit up again even as I was typing my response.
You may have missed the recent evening when PB more or less carpet-bombed the site with multiple posts, enough to take up all of Page 1 of the Forum and push all other topics off screen. Sofaking stepped up and deleted them all (and it must have been a chore, too). No one at any time suggested she was being a Nazi or asked that her privileges be revoked, so I guess you must have been offline at the time.
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#16 2008-09-16 12:45:00
Oh goody, do we have some contenders? You all don't mind if I doze off during the first few innings. Someone please remember to wake me when it is time to trundle on down to 89th and Amsterdam.
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#17 2008-09-16 12:45:39
hedgewizard wrote:
I'm voting for Cthulhu. Why choose the lessor evil? That's how I'm voting in the presidential election too. Let's make things worse by bringing politics into this thread.
OK!!
Pale is just another a-typical liberal, ready to "protect the community" by banning more shit. Gotta do it, "for the CHILDREN"....
Yep, typical mommy-state mentality... thanks, libs!!! Soon chocolate will be illegal in California and New York, just watch!!!
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#18 2008-09-16 12:46:23
George Orr wrote:
Nothing that is deleted disappears; it just gets moved off the Forum. The "deleted" thread is available on "Irregulars." (It is not worth hunting for.)
You are using the word deleted out of context to mislead.
Are you sure we can all see Irregulars? When I do a search for princess posts all the ones in my results are in the high street forum. As far as I'm concerned they're deleted. Not that I'm complaining. I haven't ignored the princess, but I don't watch the vids except by mistake.
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#19 2008-09-16 12:46:53
pALEPHx wrote:
1. I'm not an admin.
My mistake. You are a "moderator". I just assumed one needed to be an admin to delete a thread (which is what you claimed to have done).
pALEPHx wrote:
2. I pull Princess Bisquick threads, not posts.
Oh, so you just delete entire threads of hers and not individual posts. That's so different. How could anybody call that censorship? Silly me.
pALEPHx wrote:
3. It won't be happening again.
It shouldn't have happened before. You defended your actions even after people complained. If it took a poll for you to say you won't do it again then so be it.
pALEPHx wrote:
4. Ultimately, it's not up to you.
Never said it was. A poll is just that: a poll.
pALEPHx wrote:
It's not worth my time. You're not worth it. And I just don't care anymore.
Well, if it's really getting to you I guess you can delete my post. I mean, delete this thread. I mean, send it into the corn field. Or whatever the hell it is they are calling it this hour.
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#20 2008-09-16 12:49:11
George Orr wrote:
pALEPHx said he deleted them. I was taking his word on it. If "deleted" doesn't really mean "deleted" but rather "moved off to some place nobody will ever see it" then I hardly see the point in drawing a distinction.
I withdraw my accusation of deliberately misleading.
However, it surprises me that you've not navigated the site enough to see the different fora available at the very bottom of the page (look for "Jump to").
(...Or is it that only the Chosen [admins & mods] get to see those options?)
When I go to "jump to" I only get two options, FRONT PAGE and FORUMS. If there is some third option, where the deleted threads go, that I don't get, then I'd say that thread is deleted where the masses are concerned.
Just because a few elitist censor-nazi's can still see the thread doesn't make it "not deleted" to the rest of us.
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#21 2008-09-16 12:52:41
ptah, I'm ready to take away your chocolate right now. "Mommy-state" my ass--are you capable of communicating without using second- and third-hand buzzwords?
Please see my edited post above yours.
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#22 2008-09-16 12:52:53
pALEPHx wrote:
But don't make it appear as if I'm deleting posts. You know perfectly well what the implication is there, and it's not the same as raking the drivel out of sight before it becomes just another troll-feeder.
I see no difference at all. If there is some technical difference then I was not aware of it when I started the poll. But I stand by what I've said. Deleting threads equates to deleting posts. If nobody sees the posts in the thread again they have effectively been deleted. Saying you didn't delete what somebody said when you deleted the conversation is bullshit.
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#23 2008-09-16 12:54:19
ptah13 wrote:
hedgewizard wrote:
I'm voting for Cthulhu. Why choose the lessor evil? That's how I'm voting in the presidential election too. Let's make things worse by bringing politics into this thread.
OK!!
Pale is just another a-typical liberal, ready to "protect the community" by banning more shit. Gotta do it, "for the CHILDREN"....
Yep, typical mommy-state mentality... thanks, libs!!! Soon chocolate will be illegal in California and New York, just watch!!!
[troll]I'm ordering 5000 rounds of 5.56 in case Obama wins. Getting ready for the race wars. [/troll]
At least someone's having fun and not screaming, thanks ptah.
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#24 2008-09-16 12:55:29
George Orr wrote:
ptah, I'm ready to take away your chocolate right now. "Mommy-state" my ass--are you capable of communicating without using second- and third-hand buzzwords?
Please see my edited post above yours.
See my more recent post. We are not seeing what you are seeing, so it's censorship....
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#25 2008-09-16 12:57:03
hedgewizard wrote:
ptah13 wrote:
hedgewizard wrote:
I'm voting for Cthulhu. Why choose the lessor evil? That's how I'm voting in the presidential election too. Let's make things worse by bringing politics into this thread.
OK!!
Pale is just another a-typical liberal, ready to "protect the community" by banning more shit. Gotta do it, "for the CHILDREN"....
Yep, typical mommy-state mentality... thanks, libs!!! Soon chocolate will be illegal in California and New York, just watch!!![troll]I'm ordering 5000 rounds of 5.56 in case Obama wins. Getting ready for the race wars. [/troll]
At least someone's having fun and not screaming, thanks ptah.
I'm not worried about any race war, I'm worried those fuckers will outlaw my guns!!! lol
Hey, I'm having fun, "for the children".
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#26 2008-09-16 12:59:43
He moved this thread to purgatory over the weekend and I moved it back to HS
https://cruelery.com/viewtopic.php?id=5655
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#27 2008-09-16 13:00:31
George Orr wrote:
You may have missed the recent evening when PB more or less carpet-bombed the site with multiple posts, enough to take up all of Page 1 of the Forum and push all other topics off screen. Sofaking stepped up and deleted them all (and it must have been a chore, too).
I remember that happening a while back. I wasn't there when it happened but I read about it the next day. Was she up to that again? If so then Pale did the right thing. But it seems lately that she posts infrequently at best. That or her posts threads are being deleted and I'm not seeing them.
No one at any time suggested she was being a Nazi or asked that her privileges be revoked
That was then. This is now. People did complain over Pale's actions this time. Clearly there's a difference between the circumstances when Sofie acted and when Pale acted.
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#28 2008-09-16 13:02:22
Can't we just call her Wilbur and avoid the confusion?
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#29 2008-09-16 13:07:56
hedgewizard wrote:
ptah13 wrote:
hedgewizard wrote:
I'm voting for Cthulhu. Why choose the lessor evil? That's how I'm voting in the presidential election too. Let's make things worse by bringing politics into this thread.
OK!!
Pale is just another a-typical liberal, ready to "protect the community" by banning more shit. Gotta do it, "for the CHILDREN"....
Yep, typical mommy-state mentality... thanks, libs!!! Soon chocolate will be illegal in California and New York, just watch!!![troll]I'm ordering 5000 rounds of 5.56 in case Obama wins. Getting ready for the race wars. [/troll]
At least someone's having fun and not screaming, thanks ptah.
You don't know how I am about censorship...
I'm trying to find Pale's moms' phone number as we speak!!!
Woman needs to get her son in check!
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#30 2008-09-16 13:09:47
orangeplus wrote:
He moved this thread to purgatory over the weekend and I moved it back to HS Yo, pALEPHx!
I don't think that is the thread Pale said he deleted. The time stamp on that thread's creation is 2008-09-14 18:39:34. Pale's claim to have deleted PB's thread was time stamped 15 hours before that. So apparently it was an earlier thread of hers he "deleted".
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#31 2008-09-16 13:10:10
Fuck ME..... I come around for some early morning Sodomy n Oats, and this is what you Monkeys are up to?
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#32 2008-09-16 13:13:14
Zookeeper wrote:
Seriously, there are 11 admins on this site and 12 moderators. Does it really take that many cooks to spoil this soup?
Separately, I have to agree. There are too many people listed, and since nobody's going to be deleting anything that's not a four year-old white girl getting a train run on her ass by the Village People, or something to that effect, several people--who don't even show up anymore--should probably be demoted back to regular memberhood. Many hands aren't making light work, or so it seems. Technically speaking, I need my access to manage the banner stuff. Barring that, you can be sure I will be getting very specific permission when it comes to dealing with "member issues" like this. Not that my opinions will change, just that I'm not interested in fake backlash.
In all the years I have either ran or helped to manage online forums, it has always amazed me how frail the cries of "censorship!" become when they're nothing more than exercises in principle. It's hard, almost, to believe that full-grown, socially integrated adults don't see marginalizing a negative influence as beneficial to the survival of the community. I believe Princess Bullshit has already called me a "net-nazi" (rather a piquant comparison for a gay jew, but who's really judging for accuracy here). Hitler and Co. were also quite adept at disseminating propaganda, which would doubtlessly be "youtube vidz" if the same movement reared its ugly head today. I don't care so much about that, actually. I figure HS members are adult enough to ignore--without actually Ignoring--any particular pos[t]er or thread.
It's that no one else here, n00b to full-on ex-Crueler, would think they could just post whatever they felt like and not take shit for it. If that's as much a tradition around here, then why do we let Little Miss Bullshit escape the communal wrath? It posts a vid, then someone, usually Fnord, posts the equivalent of Goatse, and THAT'S what we've got for entertainment around here now? THAT'S equal treatment to the kind of drubbing we give perfectly willing, interactive people who join this site?
I keep saying it will set a bad precedent. Perhaps I need to explain what that is. It's one thing to have a single individual dive-bombing our private hidey-hole with a shitrain of puerile non sequiturs. How would everyone feel if there were two? How about five? What's the limit before your free speech turns High Street into a pissoir instead of a collective of pisspots?
There's a reason why the people who are not admins are called "moderators." They exist to moderate such deleterious effects, and to leave the bigger decision-making steps to their higher-ups. This is not some definition I invented to suit the situation. It's what a mod does.
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#33 2008-09-16 13:13:40
Zookeeper wrote:
orangeplus wrote:
He moved this thread to purgatory over the weekend and I moved it back to HS Yo, pALEPHx!
I don't think that is the thread Pale said he deleted. The time stamp on that thread's creation is 2008-09-14 18:39:34. Pale's claim to have deleted PB's thread was time stamped 15 hours before that. So apparently it was an earlier thread of hers he "deleted".
That is a thread I saw that he moved, I found the thread in purgatory and I moved it back.
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#34 2008-09-16 13:15:30
Zookeeper wrote:
Saying you didn't delete what somebody said when you deleted the conversation is bullshit.
There WAS no conversation. Remember, this is Princess Bullshit you're talking about. We have yet to see a "conversation" from it yet.
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#35 2008-09-16 13:15:49
Dmtdust wrote:
Fuck ME..... I come around for some early morning Sodomy n Oats, and this is what you Monkeys are up to?
Air needs clearin'. Obviously. I was irritated with Zoo at first, but there are some interesting opinions being expressed here.
P.S. Vote NO!
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#36 2008-09-16 13:20:08
pALEPHx wrote:
(large block of ascii assault)
I was going to respond but...
"Your post had too many words!"
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#37 2008-09-16 13:21:13
P.P.S. Pale, I was about to say you do not need to defend yourself; but an explanation is not the same thing as defending yourself, and it seems that some of us need to see the definition you provided above.
Husband™ once told me that when you are a mod or an admin, no matter how careful you are, no matter how much agonizing you do over a content decision and no matter what that decision turns out to be, there will always be at least a small crowd leaping up to scream "NAZI!" I say you go with the flow and start cultivating one of those little moustaches.
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#38 2008-09-16 13:22:53
pALEPHx wrote:
Zookeeper wrote:
Saying you didn't delete what somebody said when you deleted the conversation is bullshit.
There WAS no conversation. Remember, this is Princess Bullshit you're talking about. We have yet to see a "conversation" from it yet.
And due to your vigilance there could never have BEEN any conversation since you quashed the thread (see how I carefully didn't use the word "delete" in that sentence?).
Other posts of hers have had conversations in them. Maybe not with her but between other members.
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#39 2008-09-16 13:24:01
ptah13 wrote:
I'm not worried about any race war, I'm worried those fuckers will outlaw my guns!!! lol
Hey, I'm having fun, "for the children".
Anyone that uses "lol" on this forum should be banned.
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#40 2008-09-16 13:25:14
Actually, that's kind of funny. The thread that I moved back was the first thread Wilbur actually had PB talk in.
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#41 2008-09-16 13:25:38
pALEPHx wrote:
BLAH BLAH BLAH Windbag BLAH BLAH BLAH Windbag
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#42 2008-09-16 13:27:05
OK, Pale says he won't do it again and his moderator privs are needed so he can do something with banners. So here's a proposed compromise:
1) Pale doesn't lose his mod rights.
2) As punishment for his past Naziesque indiscretions make the "Yo, pALEPHx!" thread a sticky.
:-)
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#43 2008-09-16 14:00:00
Zookeeper wrote:
OK, Pale says he won't do it again and his moderator privs are needed so he can do something with banners. So here's a proposed compromise:
1) Pale doesn't lose his mod rights.
2) As punishment for his past Naziesque indiscretions make the "Yo, pALEPHx!" thread a sticky.
:-)
I no longer think the dude needs to be punished. Now that I realized he's just upset because PB won't talk to him, I actually feel sorry for the little feller.
Internet love is a strange and wondrous thing. Leave the guy alone!
lulz
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#44 2008-09-16 14:20:33
Zookeeper wrote:
That was then. This is now. People did complain over Pale's actions this time. Clearly there's a difference between the circumstances when Sofie acted and when Pale acted.
In therory, no post or topic ever deletes here. Questionable posts are moved out of view and the Irregulars chew it over. All deletes are logged and restoreable.
In practice, that doesn't apply to spam or copyright issues. Otherwise, inertia prevails.
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#45 2008-09-16 14:40:35
choad wrote:
Zookeeper wrote:
That was then. This is now. People did complain over Pale's actions this time. Clearly there's a difference between the circumstances when Sofie acted and when Pale acted.
In therory, no post or topic ever deletes here. Questionable posts are moved out of view and the Irregulars chew it over. All deletes are logged and restoreable.
I fail to see any point in the distinction. Whether a thread is literally deleted or "moved out of view" makes no difference. They are effectively the same thing: removed from public consumption.
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#46 2008-09-16 14:50:19
pALEPHx wrote:
tl;dr
You're right. We'll run this board your way from now on, SIR!
...or you can just not click on PB's threads, or put PB on ignore... but no, no, that's too simple. We need someone to tell us what is dreck and protect us from it. God Bless you, penix.
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#47 2008-09-16 15:23:21
Zookeeper wrote:
I fail to see any point in the distinction. Whether a thread is literally deleted or "moved out of view" makes no difference. They are effectively the same thing: removed from public consumption.
Want it both ways, is that it?
Or you want to see bare titty in the sidebar again?
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#48 2008-09-16 15:25:53
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#49 2008-09-16 15:32:14
choad wrote:
Zookeeper wrote:
I fail to see any point in the distinction. Whether a thread is literally deleted or "moved out of view" makes no difference. They are effectively the same thing: removed from public consumption.
Want it both ways, is that it? Or you want to see bare titty in the sidebar again?
Sorry Choad but that's apples and oranges and you know it. Nobody's arguing that high-street has to use every banner or sidebar image that is submitted. We're talking about forum posts, not advertising space (or decoration or whatever the sidebar images are considered).
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#50 2008-09-16 15:44:55
choad wrote:
Or you want to see bare titty in the sidebar again?
Yes, please.
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