#2 2009-06-17 02:07:51
There's 4 potential Republican "Promise Keepers" down the tubes.
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#3 2009-06-17 02:16:30
Alright, that's excessively nasty but I saw unpunished scout behavior rivaling that for cruel. Adolescent boys are uniformly, and out of uniform, fucked in the head. It doesn't but scouting is supposed to pound that out of them.
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#4 2009-06-17 02:29:52
sigmoid freud wrote:
There's 4 potential Republican "Promise Keepers" down the tubes.
Perhaps there's a place for them in the Republican Dirty Tricks Squad. I'm sure they're recruiting in preparation for the midterm elections.
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#5 2009-06-17 02:37:51
choad wrote:
Alright, that's excessively nasty but I saw unpunished scout behavior rivaling that for cruel. Adolescent boys are uniformly, and out of uniform, fucked in the head. It doesn't but scouting is supposed to pound that out of them.
…or in to them. I second the fucked up scouting experiences, and I got kicked out at 9.
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#6 2009-06-17 02:45:09
And so many people were defending this awesome organization when I said I wouldn't put my kid in it if you paid me.
I trust my gut instincts.
Always.
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#7 2009-06-17 02:56:10
I dropped out at Webelos (much to my father's disappointment). Only years later did I learn that scouting was a hotbed of anguished adolescent sexual activity. My timing, once again, proved poor.
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#8 2009-06-17 03:35:18
I dropped out of Brownies because I got lost on a trip to Knott's Berry Farm.
And the leader was lame. She promised we were going to have a picnic in the woods, but we ended up "roughing it" in her stupid fucking backyard.
But at least no one made me drink pee, and for that I am grateful.
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#9 2009-06-17 10:34:14
I'm sure behavior like this never happened on a sports trip, in anyones back yard, as hazing to join a team or cheerleading, etc. Blame scouting. It's so much easier than acknowledging that adolescents are evil, twisted little shits trying to test their boundaries. At least when it happens in Scouting there is usually an adult around to find out. Can you say that about the millions of latch-key kids who are left to their own devices every day of the school year?
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#10 2009-06-17 13:49:15
Kids do stupid shit. So do adults.
From Wiki:
The Boy Scouts of America (BSA) is the largest youth organization in the United States, with over five million members in its age-related divisions.
OK. So with five *million* members, what are the odds that there are at least a few fuckup-fairies in that group?
And, given the distaste many in the press have for the Scouts and what they try to represent, what's the odds on literally *every* one of those fuckups being made as public as possible? And with as much negative spin as they can?
Nobody reports on the *millions* of hours of community service the Scouts do, year after year. Just in our troop alone, we have contributed over 35,000 hours of local community service in just the past 10 years.
We've built 18 shelters for wildlife and 3 environmental education centers, planted thousands of trees, cleaned up numerous city lots, built 7 foot-bridges in natural areas, created handicap accessibility for schools, camps and natural areas, and even created several wall murals in run-down areas.
Not to mention all the times we've done stream cleanups, highway cleanups (we 'own' several roads in our area), supported community activities by creating fun events (rope bridges, obstacle courses, etc.) for the local children, and a host of other community contributions.
Oh, and we also collect over 5,000 cans of food annually for our local food cupboard.
And we provide a place for many children without fathers to have some good male role models (believe it or not), as well as kids who need the support of peers and adults to grow in a mainstreamed environment (like kids with ADHD, ADD, Autisim, etc.). And we also provide a comprehensive summer camp for kids who would otherwise never be able to afford it.
Scouting also teaches leadership, life skills and pride in self.
Yeah, with 5 MILLION people involved, we have our share of fuckups, assholes and pervs. But they represent a minuscule minority, and we work constantly to prevent such things - note in the article that it was the troop that reported on itself... there was no attempt at a 'cover up'... and the law enforcement folks were promptly involved and the troop leaders worked closely with them to resolve the situation and to make sure the child was properly cared for after the event.
But even with these occasional assholes showing up, we provide an amazing amount of support to our communities.
It's about perspective, folks.
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#11 2009-06-17 14:04:47
whosasailorthen wrote:
Kids do stupid shit. So do adults ... It's about perspective, folks.
My temple hosts a scout troop. For the most part, I haven't any objections or problems with scouting. I disagree - needless to say - with their stance on homosexuality and Christianity but, on the other hand, it's a private organization. Provided they're not receiving public money, they can do what they want. At temple, our scouts are Buddhists and, following the standards of our denomination, there is no discrimination against gays (as a matter of fact, they asked me to be their troop minister a few years ago, an invitation I had to turn down because of time constraints). Scouting can be, and often is, a great opportunity for kids. In all honesty though, I'd be reluctant to let my hypothetical son get involved unless it was a troop similar to the one at my temple.
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#12 2009-06-17 14:15:00
Taint wrote:
whosasailorthen wrote:
Kids do stupid shit. So do adults ... It's about perspective, folks.
My temple hosts a scout troop. For the most part, I haven't any objections or problems with scouting. I disagree - needless to say - with their stance on homosexuality and Christianity but, on the other hand, it's a private organization. Provided they're not receiving public money, they can do what they want. At temple, our scouts are Buddhists and, following the standards of our denomination, there is no discrimination against gays (as a matter of fact, they asked me to be their troop minister a few years ago, an invitation I had to turn down because of time constraints). Scouting can be, and often is, a great opportunity for kids. In all honesty though, I'd be reluctant to let my hypothetical son get involved unless it was a troop similar to the one at my temple.
The Scouts have *no* stance on Christianity. They only require that members have a belief in a 'higher being' - it can be Mother Nature, for that matter. Our troop has Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists.... and that's only the ones I *know* about.
As for homosexuality, our council is the most liberal in the US and our statement is that, very simply, sexuality OF ANY KIND is not a part of the Scouting program. Gay, straight, bi, tri, poly, whatever - it has no place in Scouting. We don't want to know, we don't ask, and we don't want folks pushing their sexual agenda - one way or the other - it simply should not be a part of Scouting.
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#13 2009-06-17 14:18:11
whosasailorthen wrote:
As for homosexuality, our council is the most liberal in the US and our statement is that, very simply, sexuality OF ANY KIND is not a part of the Scouting program. Gay, straight, bi, tri, poly, whatever - it has no place in Scouting. We don't want to know, we don't ask, and we don't want folks pushing their sexual agenda.
....and Robert Baden Powell rolls in his grave, his boner making a slapping sound against the lid.
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#14 2009-06-17 14:19:16
whosasailorthen wrote:
They only require that members have a belief in a 'higher being' - it can be Mother Nature, for that matter. Our troop has Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists.... and that's only the ones I *know* about.
Let's keep this a secret between us, then: Buddhists have no "higher being".
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#15 2009-06-17 14:27:12
Taint wrote:
whosasailorthen wrote:
They only require that members have a belief in a 'higher being' - it can be Mother Nature, for that matter. Our troop has Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists.... and that's only the ones I *know* about.
Let's keep this a secret between us, then: Buddhists have no "higher being".
True, but we naturally accept that as a 'faith', which is really what's it all about. That there is a duty to (1) self, (2) others and (3) your faith - which is, in fact, what the three-finger pledge salute represents.
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#16 2009-06-17 14:28:18
Green Bar Bill says, “All out for scouting!”
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#17 2009-06-17 14:31:49
A friend of mine who made Eagle is a lifelong atheist. I asked him what you do when you get to the part of the pledge with the fairy tale character.
"You lie."
This is the best lesson scouting can teach you: there are assholes out there who you'll have to lie to in order to achieve your goals.
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#18 2009-06-17 14:32:59
jesusluvspegging wrote:
whosasailorthen wrote:
As for homosexuality, our council is the most liberal in the US and our statement is that, very simply, sexuality OF ANY KIND is not a part of the Scouting program. Gay, straight, bi, tri, poly, whatever - it has no place in Scouting. We don't want to know, we don't ask, and we don't want folks pushing their sexual agenda.
....and Robert Baden Powell rolls in his grave, his boner making a slapping sound against the lid.
Actually, Sir Robert Baden Powell was allegedly bisexual. So I would imagine he's not upset one bit - he's probably relieved that the Scouting wants folks to keep sexuality out of the program and just have fun. He's probably also glad to see that young women also have the opportunity to join Boy Scouts, too (through the Venture and Explorer programs), since his wife was one of the founders of the Girl Scouts (and in those days they had to be segregated).
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#19 2009-06-17 14:35:28
Just 'cause he got married doesn't make him not gay.
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#20 2009-06-17 14:38:40
jesusluvspegging wrote:
A friend of mine who made Eagle is a lifelong atheist. I asked him what you do when you get to the part of the pledge with the fairy tale character.
"You lie."
This is the best lesson scouting can teach you: there are assholes out there who you'll have to lie to in order to achieve your goals.
No, he didn't have to lie. If he didn't agree with the fundamental principles of the Eagle award (duty to self, others and faith), then as an honest and stand-up guy he should not have accepted it. Why did he want to be an Eagle? So he could represent himself as something he was not?
As I say, there are assholes in every organisation.
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#21 2009-06-17 14:39:24
whosasailorthen wrote:
No, he didn't have to lie. If he didn't agree with the fundamental principles of the Eagle award (duty to self, others and faith), then as an honest and stand-up guy he should not have accepted it. Why did he want to be an Eagle? So he could represent himself as something he was not?
As I say, there are assholes in every organisation.
He agreed with the parts of it that aren't delusional.
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#22 2009-06-17 14:47:52
jesusluvspegging wrote:
whosasailorthen wrote:
No, he didn't have to lie. If he didn't agree with the fundamental principles of the Eagle award (duty to self, others and faith), then as an honest and stand-up guy he should not have accepted it. Why did he want to be an Eagle? So he could represent himself as something he was not?
As I say, there are assholes in every organisation.He agreed with the parts of it that aren't delusional.
...and that silly little bit about being 'Trustworthy'.
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#24 2009-06-17 14:53:11
whosasailorthen wrote:
jesusluvspegging wrote:
He agreed with the parts of it that aren't delusional.
...and that silly little bit about being 'Trustworthy'.
People who demand you believe in the invisible pink unicorn aren't trustworthy in the first place. Scouting's own policies towards this issue proves that the people running the organization are hypocrites. With that kind of "leadership," you have to expect a little sleazing from the lower echelons.
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#25 2009-06-17 14:53:19
whosasailorthen wrote:
The Scouts have *no* stance on Christianity. They only require that members have a belief in a 'higher being' - it can be Mother Nature, for that matter. Our troop has Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists.... and that's only the ones I *know* about.
This is true. The only faith excluded from Scouting is atheism. There is a Wiccan troop in California somewhere. Someone I'm very close to was employed by the BSA National Headquarters for ten years; that's how I know.
...sexuality OF ANY KIND is not a part of the Scouting program. Gay, straight, bi, tri, poly, whatever - it has no place in Scouting. We don't want to know, we don't ask, and we don't want folks pushing their sexual agenda - one way or the other - it simply should not be a part of Scouting.
Also true. However, the muckity-mucks at the top levels of National are extremely paranoid and sensitive about the "pedophile Scoutmaster" stereotype, and that accounts for a lot of the noise that's been made over the years about gayitude. The people involved in Scouting on the local level are mostly aware that a gay man is not a pedophile, and that a gay man can have a sincere desire to contribute to the lives of boys (shut up); and most of the time everyone just practices a version of "don't ask, don't tell."
As for the nasty story that started this thread off, the older boys were far too old to have been left alone with boys that much younger. That's like a lit match to gasoline.
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#26 2009-06-17 15:09:28
jesusluvspegging wrote:
whosasailorthen wrote:
jesusluvspegging wrote:
He agreed with the parts of it that aren't delusional.
...and that silly little bit about being 'Trustworthy'.
People who demand you believe in the invisible pink unicorn aren't trustworthy in the first place. Scouting's own policies towards this issue proves that the people running the organization are hypocrites. With that kind of "leadership," you have to expect a little sleazing from the lower echelons.
They don't 'demand' anything. It's a club. The club has, as a part of it's charter, that they trust in a higher authority (God, nature, whatever).
If you don't believe in what the club stands for, then don't bloody well join the club.
But don't join it and then complain that you're being 'forced' to follow the club's rules. That's like joining a tennis club and then complaining that all they fucking do is play tennis.
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#27 2009-06-17 15:13:45
...a tennis club that just so happens to look really fantastic on resumes and college application.
......a tennis club that claims to teach good citizenship, then teaches you to discriminate against large segments of the population.
(actually, I'd join a tennis club like that)
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#28 2009-06-17 15:18:46
jesusluvspegging wrote:
...a tennis club that just so happens to look really fantastic on resumes and college application.
Hmm. Why is that?
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#29 2009-06-17 15:21:46
Boy Scouts are below my hate radar as long as they stay the fuck out of the backcountry. I've been going out for decades, and they have to be the worst campers ever. They cut down trees, dig holes, build giant fires, throw uneaten food on the ground, and generally make a mess. whosascoutmasterthen, don’t you teach these kids low-impact camping?
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#30 2009-06-17 15:25:52
Fuck this. I'm starting my own scouting organization!
Who wants to join the Junior Machine Elves?
Uniform: reversible two-tone hoody (for maximum urban camouflage), pants (optional), shoes you can run from cops in.
Some of the merit badges available: Handling Your Shit, Street Pharmacist, Roofie Deployment, Shoplifting, Boy Scout Troop Infiltration and Conversion, Family Planning (knock up three Girl Scouts and pay for their abortions), Arson, Blood Sacrifice,
Pledge: On my Honor I will do my duty to summon the Chaos from beyond into this fucked-up world. IA! IA! THE GOAT OF A THOUSAND YOUNG!
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#31 2009-06-17 15:26:42
whosasailorthen wrote:
jesusluvspegging wrote:
...a tennis club that just so happens to look really fantastic on resumes and college application.
Hmm. Why is that?
Because they know you've been indoctrinated to obey an arbitrary set of rules given by authority figures.
...and I notice you ignore that you're teaching bad citizenship to these kids through your organization's discriminatory policies.
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#32 2009-06-17 15:37:59
phoQ wrote:
Boy Scouts are below my hate radar as long as they stay the fuck out of the backcountry. I've been going out for decades, and they have to be the worst campers ever. They cut down trees, dig holes, build giant fires, throw uneaten food on the ground, and generally make a mess. whosascoutmasterthen, don’t you teach these kids low-impact camping?
Our troop certainly does - I can't speak for others. Our junior leaders lead 'the walk' at the end of every trip, where the boys spread out over the entire camping area and we pick up every scrap - and I *do* mean EVERY scrap - of trash or non-natural debris. The Scout motto for camping is "Leave No Trace". We also keep separate cans for recyclable rubbish. And we NEVER cut down live trees (actually, this is forbidden by Scout rules - it's in the handbook). The boys also must learn and live by "The Outdoor Code" in order to advance in rank.
I will:
* Be clean in my outdoor manners.
I will treat the outdoors as a heritage.
I will take care of it for myself and others
I will keep my trash and garbage out of lakes, streams, fields, woods, and roadways.
* Be careful with fire.
I will prevent wildfire.
I will build my fires only where they are appropriate.
When I have finished using a fire, I will make sure it is cold out.
I will leave a clean fire ring, or remove all evidence of my fire.
* Be considerate in the outdoors.
I will treat public and private property with respect.
I will use low-impact methods of hiking and camping.
and
* Be conservation minded
I will learn how to practice good conservation of soil, waters, forests, minerals, grasslands, wildlife, and energy.
I will urge others to do the same.
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#33 2009-06-17 15:39:18
jesusluvspegging wrote:
whosasailorthen wrote:
jesusluvspegging wrote:
...a tennis club that just so happens to look really fantastic on resumes and college application.
Hmm. Why is that?
Because they know you've been indoctrinated to obey an arbitrary set of rules given by authority figures.
...and I notice you ignore that you're teaching bad citizenship to these kids through your organization's discriminatory policies.
Bullshit. Asked and answered.
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#34 2009-06-17 15:40:46
whosasailorthen wrote:
Kids do stupid shit. So do adults.
...We've built 18 shelters for wildlife...
Shelters for wildlife??
WTF is that a birdhouse?
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#35 2009-06-17 15:41:52
whosasailorthen wrote:
Our troop certainly does - I can't speak for others.
I only have two issues with boy scouts: they claim to teach good citizenship while exercising arbitrary discrimination against groups of people (a mutually exclusive combination if I've ever heard one), and there's no hint of consistency from troop to troop. If you live in a small town, you're rolling the dice on whether your local troop is going to be any good or not.
...oh and that trail's end popcorn sucks.
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#36 2009-06-17 15:45:48
More Jr. Machine Elf merit badges:
Mushroom Identification, Inducing a Riot, Ballot-Stuffing
The ceremony for our Eagle Scout equivalent (as yet unnamed) will be a ritual funeral for the initiate, followed by a live burial and twenty-four hours of sensory deprivation.
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#37 2009-06-17 15:49:42
Emmeran wrote:
whosasailorthen wrote:
Kids do stupid shit. So do adults.
...We've built 18 shelters for wildlife...Shelters for wildlife??
WTF is that a birdhouse?
We've built bird houses, yes - a great many. But we've also created shrub piles, bird sanctuaries and remote viewing blinds (to limit human invasion of natural spaces).
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#38 2009-06-17 15:58:57
You're all idiots.
This thread ended when I began to fapping to Sofie in a Brownie uniform.
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#39 2009-06-17 16:01:28
Scotty wrote:
You're all idiots.
This thread ended when I began to fapping to Sofie in a Brownie uniform.
In your fap-fantasy, did you spray the beret?
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#40 2009-06-17 16:03:25
Scotty wrote:
You're all idiots.
This thread ended when I began to fapping to Sofie in a Brownie uniform.
Begging the classic joke: When does Cub Scout become a man?
When he eats his first Brownie! *Ba-da-dum!* Thanks, everyone! You're a great audience!
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#41 2009-06-17 16:07:33
whosasailorthen wrote:
Our junior leaders lead 'the walk' at the end of every trip
I’ll bet the lead piss purveyor in the post was a junior leader. When I see scouts doing fucked up shit, it is usually because the junior leader is the only one nearby. You old geezers got to get in better shape to keep up with those boys, and stop snoozing in your tents.
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#42 2009-06-17 16:09:28
whosasailorthen wrote:
jesusluvspegging wrote:
whosasailorthen wrote:
As for homosexuality, our council is the most liberal in the US and our statement is that, very simply, sexuality OF ANY KIND is not a part of the Scouting program. Gay, straight, bi, tri, poly, whatever - it has no place in Scouting. We don't want to know, we don't ask, and we don't want folks pushing their sexual agenda.
....and Robert Baden Powell rolls in his grave, his boner making a slapping sound against the lid.
Actually, Sir Robert Baden Powell was allegedly bisexual. So I would imagine he's not upset one bit - he's probably relieved that the Scouting wants folks to keep sexuality out of the program and just have fun. He's probably also glad to see that young women also have the opportunity to join Boy Scouts, too (through the Venture and Explorer programs), since his wife was one of the founders of the Girl Scouts (and in those days they had to be segregated).
Okay, you got me on that one.
I was an Sea Scout Explorer down at Dana Point marina, and when I wasn't fucking off flirting with the boys and smoking clove cigarettes, they actually taught me how to sail. My aunt was in the leadership, and got in BIG trouble for fucking the other leader. When they got caught by the other leader's wife, my aunt and I stopped going.
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#43 2009-06-17 16:11:45
Scotty wrote:
You're all idiots.
This thread ended when I began to fapping to Sofie in a Brownie uniform.
I pretty much joined so I could wear the jumper, and those weird brown knee socks with the orange tassels to school.
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#44 2009-06-17 17:16:56
sofaking wrote:
I was an Sea Scout Explorer down at Dana Point marina, and when I wasn't fucking off flirting with the boys and smoking clove cigarettes, they actually taught me how to sail.
To appreciate how desperately I needed to get away from home, I was a cub scout, boy scout and sea scout. None, in my day, were community oriented or structured in any sense of the word. These were hosted in wealthy suburbs but the programs Sailor describes would have struck me as fiction.
We were Sea Scouts in name only, financing an ancient 44' yawl by sweet talking swells facing divorce/foreclosure/SEC out of their boats for the charitable tax deductions. Then we'd slap on a coat of paint and flip them in a matter of weeks. Never ever wore the uniforms, except in port while negotiating free slip space, and spent all our time at sea three sheets to
the wind.
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#45 2009-06-17 17:28:46
choad wrote:
sofaking wrote:
I was an Sea Scout Explorer down at Dana Point marina, and when I wasn't fucking off flirting with the boys and smoking clove cigarettes, they actually taught me how to sail.
To appreciate how desperately I needed to get away from home, I was a cub scout, boy scout and sea scout. None, in my day, were community oriented or structured in any sense of the word. These were hosted in wealthy suburbs but the programs Sailor describes would have struck me as fiction.
We were Sea Scouts in name only, financing an ancient 44' yawl by sweet talking swells facing divorce/foreclosure/SEC out of their boats for the charitable tax deductions. Then we'd slap on a coat of paint and flip them in a matter of weeks. Never ever wore the uniforms, except in port while negotiating free slip space, and spent all our time at sea three sheets to
the wind.
We actually got to go places, like the Channel Islands and Catalina. It was on these trips that my slutty aunt seduced Captain Whoeverthefuck (I don't remember his name. I've burnt a lot of brain cells since then).
I do remember the office where they'd sell absolute pieces of shit that were donated.
We also got to be in the Newport Harbor Christmas Boat Parade , and decorated the boat and stuff.
But mostly, we flirted and got high, and worked on our tans, and roller skated around the marina. No uniforms at all.
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#46 2009-06-17 17:29:56
I'd never heard of the Sea Scouts until today. It sounds awesome, but I was landlocked in my youth.
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#47 2009-06-17 17:34:36
jesusluvspegging wrote:
I'd never heard of the Sea Scouts until today. It sounds awesome, but I was landlocked in my youth.
It was pretty cool.
I was pissed when my aunt fucked it up for me.
She supposedly was in it for me, but her selfish ass couldn't keep her bathing suit on to save her life.
She's now 67, and has a boyfriend Mr. Sofie's age (37).
*gags*
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#48 2009-06-17 18:21:52
sofaking wrote:
She's now 67, and has a boyfriend Mr. Sofie's age (37).
*gags*
As hot as you are Sofie, you may find yourself enjoying a similar situation if you are a widow at that age. You won’t find it barfworthy then!
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#49 2009-06-17 19:19:22
fnord wrote:
sofaking wrote:
She's now 67, and has a boyfriend Mr. Sofie's age (37).
*gags*As hot as you are Sofie, you may find yourself enjoying a similar situation if you are a widow at that age. You won’t find it barfworthy then!
Not only no...HELL NO.
I dunno if you're down with astrology, but the wisdom of the universe makes it clear that for compatibility purposes, it's much better to be within 4 or so years of your lovey's age.
I know lots of people make it work, but it's hard to reconcile such a wide age gap, because most people become stuck in the decade they came to age in (as far as tastes in music, entertainment, etc.), and relate to new trends according to the perspective of whatever age they are at any given time.
I have friends of all ages, but I have the most in common with people my own age. I don't think I could fake having the interests of someone 30 years younger than me, regardless of how good the sex might be.
My aunt has always been a fucking weirdo (this isn't the one that looks like Betty Bowers, but a different one). I thought she was super cool when I was like 7, but I saw through her bullshit by the time she fucked up Sea Scouts for me. She does look good for her age, but her relationship with her boyfriend is bizarre. My cousins (her kids) are a decade older than him.
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#50 2009-06-17 20:01:29
sofaking wrote:
I dropped out of Brownies because I got lost on a trip to Knott's Berry Farm.
And the leader was lame. She promised we were going to have a picnic in the woods, but we ended up "roughing it" in her stupid fucking backyard.
But at least no one made me drink pee, and for that I am grateful.
I love to eat brownies
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