#3 2009-06-17 20:24:55
The more things change...
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#4 2009-06-17 20:47:36
What the world needs now is a bunch more Emma Goldman, Thnx, Bi!
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#5 2009-06-17 20:49:43
Dmtdust wrote:
What the world needs now is a bunch more Emma Goldman, Thnx, Bi!
"My Disillusionment in Russia" was a great deconstruction of Marxism and a fascinating look at the revolution in Russia, but her own political views were just as naive as the ones she was critiquing.
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#6 2009-06-17 20:55:14
The times... the times... the times...
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#7 2009-06-17 21:36:23
I think back with great satisfaction and a tear of joy in my jaded eye, upon any event which resulted in a bunch of self-satisfied boomers getting their asses kicked. Mmmmmmmm, that's so mighty fine police brutality ya got there, Lou.
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#8 2009-06-17 21:48:54
I don't think they were satisfied, and I am sure you got your wires crossed (as usual) on assessments of older beings previous to your incarnation.
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#9 2009-06-17 22:54:08
Everything I know about these riots I learned from Shards of God.
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#10 2009-06-17 23:23:46
"Forty years from now the Yippies and those who took part in the Peace-swarm of 1967-68 will be recognized for what they are, the most important cultural political force in the last 150 years of American civilization."
--Ed Sanders, Shards of God ix
Sorry Ed. Assholes in this new millenium have no idea what you or others did to save their asses from the machine, and btw, they hate you because their narrow little feral consumerist lives consume their everythought...
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#11 2009-06-17 23:28:01
Fuck that, Dusty. The political mire we've been in for the last thirty years is these people's fault. The hippies created a massive cultural backlash effect that we're still riding out.
If you fuckers had just cut your hair and done your drugs on the sly, Reagan would never have advanced beyond co-starring with monkeys.
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#12 2009-06-17 23:45:10
jesusluvspegging wrote:
Fuck that, Dusty. The political mire we've been in for the last thirty years is these people's fault. The hippies created a massive cultural backlash effect that we're still riding out.
If you fuckers had just cut your hair and done your drugs on the sly, Reagan would never have advanced beyond co-starring with monkeys.
If we'd done that, Nixon would never have been caught and there would have been no need for Reagan. But, as it was, we only delayed the post-FDR return of the WASP ruling-class oligarchs by 10 years or so.
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#13 2009-06-17 23:51:03
That's the Nixon that founded the EPA, ordered the commission that ended the military draft, increased domestic aid spending and cut defense spending, and put up the only balanced budget in a forty year period?
Good call.
My point, which you missed, is that if y'all'd had some patience you'd have accomplished ten times more than you actually did, and you wouldn't have created the massive conservative backlash.
But nooooooo, the hippies just had to have their total cultural revolution and change everything all at once, and they could do it with the power of their energy, maaaan.
Prats.
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#14 2009-06-18 00:27:33
Sorry Ed. Assholes in this new millenium have no idea what you or others did to save their asses from the machine, and btw, they hate you because their narrow little feral consumerist lives consume their everythought...
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#15 2009-06-18 00:28:14
If you weren't there, you have no idea. period. Thnx! I win! Bai!
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#16 2009-06-18 00:30:02
Sorry, dusty, I forgot that your generation's selfish hedonism was RIGHTEOUS and PURE and my generation's selfish hedonism is not.
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#17 2009-06-18 00:43:32
jesusluvspegging wrote:
Sorry, dusty, I forgot that your generation's selfish hedonism was RIGHTEOUS and PURE and my generation's selfish hedonism is not.
How old are you, Jesus?
Just trying to place you in a generation.
And don't tell me you're 33 1/2 like a smartass....
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#18 2009-06-18 00:47:33
sofaking wrote:
And don't tell me you're 33 1/2 like a smartass....
You're within a standard deviation.
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#20 2009-06-18 00:52:31
jesusluvspegging wrote:
Sorry, dusty, I forgot that your generation's selfish hedonism was RIGHTEOUS and PURE and my generation's selfish hedonism is not.
Solly Cholly, yer ragging on the older folks is falling on deaf ears as it is so fucking predictable. They gave you everything that they could, and your still pissing your diapers in fruitless rebellion.
I Win! Bai!
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#21 2009-06-18 00:56:40
A hippy wrote:
pissing your diapers in fruitless rebellion.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHA
I win! Bye!
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#22 2009-06-18 00:58:46
When me and my generation smuggle drugs, we don't sing songs about it to piss off "The Man".
We try to blend in and shit, and we use the $$ we make off it to pursue things like hygiene and technology and trying to rid our bodies of excess hair and shit.
Don't get me wrong. My favorite hobbies are hippie-esque (getting high, organic veggie gardening, painting). It's just hard to function when you're trying to flip the bird to any and all authority figures. You gotta be more subtle about it.
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#23 2009-06-18 01:01:03
jesusluvspegging wrote:
sofaking wrote:
And don't tell me you're 33 1/2 like a smartass....
You're within a standard deviation.
I knew it.
The shaved balls are a dead giveaway.
I'm 35.
Whoopee....I'm approximately halfway to death!
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#24 2009-06-18 01:03:32
jesusluvspegging wrote:
A hippy wrote:
pissing your diapers in fruitless rebellion.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHA
http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uplo … 06/pow.jpg
I win! Bye!
Now that is fucking funny. Quick, tell me how those hippies would of known not to do what they were doing due to some fucked up events in the future? And... I was never a hippie. Thanx! Bai! I win regardless!
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#25 2009-06-18 01:06:37
Dmtdust wrote:
Thanx! Bai! I win regardless!
Sure. You win.
*snicker
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#26 2009-06-18 01:11:57
jesusluvspegging wrote:
Dmtdust wrote:
Thanx! Bai! I win regardless!
Sure. You win.
*snicker
No, Jesus.
WE ALL WIN.
Because of the hippies, we live in a free and beautiful world, without unwarranted wars and persecution from fascist pigs...because they threw bottles at some cops 40 years ago.
I gotta go find some midget porn or something. This thread reeks of patchouli.
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#27 2009-06-18 01:14:40
Here ya go Sofie!
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#28 2009-06-18 01:17:02
Dmtdust wrote:
jesusluvspegging wrote:
Sorry, dusty, I forgot that your generation's selfish hedonism was RIGHTEOUS and PURE and my generation's selfish hedonism is not.
Solly Cholly, yer ragging on the older folks is falling on deaf ears as it is so fucking predictable. They gave you everything that they could, and your still pissing your diapers in fruitless rebellion.
I Win! Bai!
Baby, you're projecting.
Ragging on the older folks and fruitless rebellion was the raison d'etre of the hippies, too.
I think every generation pretty much does it...
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#29 2009-06-18 01:56:46
sofaking wrote:
Dmtdust wrote:
jesusluvspegging wrote:
Sorry, dusty, I forgot that your generation's selfish hedonism was RIGHTEOUS and PURE and my generation's selfish hedonism is not.
Solly Cholly, yer ragging on the older folks is falling on deaf ears as it is so fucking predictable. They gave you everything that they could, and your still pissing your diapers in fruitless rebellion.
I Win! Bai!Baby, you're projecting.
Ragging on the older folks and fruitless rebellion was the raison d'etre of the hippies, too.
I think every generation pretty much does it...
No, no. They were special. Dr Spock gave them permission to do it.
I, on the other hand, am getting stoned while eating ice cream and watching the 2006 3D remake of Night of the Living Dead.
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#30 2009-06-18 02:01:30
I seem to have been maneuvered in to the position of defending people who I rarely hung out with.
Yes, your right. Letting the crap go on as it did previously was probably the right thing.
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#31 2009-06-18 02:03:21
jesusluvspegging wrote:
Here ya go Sofie!
Gah. Shouldn't the doctor deal with that obviously life-threatening zit before he goes looking for hypothetical problems with the vaginal probe?
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#32 2009-06-18 02:06:22
Dmtdust wrote:
I seem to have been maneuvered in to the position of defending people who I rarely hung out with.
Yes, your right. Letting the crap go on as it did previously was probably the right thing.
No, incremental change was probably the right thing. But who wants to listen to a moderate?
...and you maneuvered yourself into that position, me old bean.
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#33 2009-06-18 02:23:13
I just want to say; I remember the 50s and the 60s and how controlled and rigid life was before the hippies, feminists and others questioned the rules everyone was expected to live under. In spite of the fascist Ancien Régime which we suffered under until recently, we have still greater freedom to decide for ourselves who we want to be than we would if the postwar social strictures had not been challenged by the hippies.
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#34 2009-06-18 02:39:46
jesusluvspegging wrote:
Dmtdust wrote:
I seem to have been maneuvered in to the position of defending people who I rarely hung out with.
Yes, your right. Letting the crap go on as it did previously was probably the right thing.No, incremental change was probably the right thing. But who wants to listen to a moderate?
...and you maneuvered yourself into that position, me old bean.
From the position that I was watching things, it all looked pretty desperate at that time... 500 plus 20/20 hindsight is great, especially if you weren't there to begin with.
I have no suggestions, but listening to people. I did not agree with the Weatherman or The Panthers etc. It was seductive, but touching peoples hearts with community work is far better, and I tip my hat to you for that good reminder.
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#35 2009-06-18 02:49:17
Dmtdust wrote:
It was seductive, but touching peoples hearts with community work is far better, and I tip my hat to you for that good reminder.
Group hug! Bai!
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#36 2009-06-18 09:51:07
Dmtdust wrote:
Mother Fuckers! Up Against The Wall!
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic … 33,00.html
Man, what a great way to meet easy chicks.
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#37 2009-06-18 10:22:26
I love it.
Nothing like the only civilians in Chicago who have gun permits- but not driver's licenses, because of their eyesight- getting together for a few drinks!
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#38 2009-06-18 11:06:25
fnord wrote:
I just want to say; I remember the 50s and the 60s and how controlled and rigid life was before the hippies, feminists and others questioned the rules everyone was expected to live under. In spite of the fascist Ancien Régime which we suffered under until recently, we have still greater freedom to decide for ourselves who we want to be than we would if the postwar social strictures had not been challenged by the hippies.
Nicely put.
What I remember was the aftermath in the '70s, where all the hippies from the '60s made my poor dad feel like a piece of shit for fighting for his country. He was an officer in the Marines and just a jet mechanic at the time (before he got his engineering degree), and the stupid fucking hippies lumped him in with "baby killers".
It takes all kinds of people to make a functional culture, and the hippies were probably even bigger assholes than the people whose jobs it was to protect our country - both here and abroad. Like smoking dope and singing folk songs really ever changed things. Name a hippie who ever changed legislation to benefit society. They can't even lobby effectively to get pot legalized.
I used to give my dad grief about helping to engineer bombers (B-1, B-2 Stealth), because those things could, you know, destroy civilization. Now that I'm a grown up myself, I apologized to him. Without those long range bombers, we'd be tonguing the sphincters of Kim Jong Il and Ahmadinejad.
It's way more complicated than the naive hippies could have ever anticipated.
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#39 2009-06-18 12:03:56
Sorry to read, (once again) about what your father went through Sofie. It is easy to cast a wide net, harder to narrow it down. Most of the people who I knew (in fact I don't ever remember anyone who I did know who would of done/said such a thing) found that kind of behaviour without merit. I knew many people, who provided housing, transport etc to military guys who wanted out of the system and they paid to help get the guys to Canada and Sweden. Lots of the anti-war crowd were ex-vets themselves after 70'.
It was a horrible time in many respects. But then, there is constant horror when people forget theirs and others humanity.
Most of that generation that I know went on to do some great stuff, others didn't. I lost a lot of friends to drugs, guns and booze. Some of it really haunts me at times.
Tom Hayden actually has gotten lots done, but in general the people who I knew from then went into community organizing etc., and you can see the difference in places like Portland, and Seattle, Olympia and Vancouver. A lot of what we take for granted today came out of that generation, just like what came out from the previous. The anti-drug forces have been in the ascendant for 35 years. Now that star is waning. I have friends working in the field who smell the change coming. Everyone knows that it will happen. (I could go on about this of course)
I never bought into that anti-older generation bs that was being pushed by Madison Avenue. After all, most of my heroes were Beats, and Bohemians, or fricking dead before I was born.
My father and I seriously disagreed on the Vietnam War, and we worked it out over the years. His views came to mirror mine after he lost his hatred of the Reds. We have a certain harmony that is wondrous to me, after growing up in the belly of the military beast.
I could name the good stuff that was produced, but then I would have to engage in this discussion further. What I am saying is, let it go. Holding a grudge over old affronts isn't worth the energy. We all have enough on our plates to worry stuff 35 years back. What is important is getting the changes through that we can for our kids, and others who we will never, ever know.
Pax,
D
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#40 2009-06-18 12:25:11
sofaking wrote:
fnord wrote:
I just want to say; I remember the 50s and the 60s and how controlled and rigid life was before the hippies, feminists and others questioned the rules everyone was expected to live under. In spite of the fascist Ancien Régime which we suffered under until recently, we have still greater freedom to decide for ourselves who we want to be than we would if the postwar social strictures had not been challenged by the hippies.
Nicely put.
What I remember was the aftermath in the '70s, where all the hippies from the '60s made my poor dad feel like a piece of shit for fighting for his country. He was an officer in the Marines and just a jet mechanic at the time (before he got his engineering degree), and the stupid fucking hippies lumped him in with "baby killers".
It takes all kinds of people to make a functional culture, and the hippies were probably even bigger assholes than the people whose jobs it was to protect our country - both here and abroad. Like smoking dope and singing folk songs really ever changed things. Name a hippie who ever changed legislation to benefit society. They can't even lobby effectively to get pot legalized.
I used to give my dad grief about helping to engineer bombers (B-1, B-2 Stealth), because those things could, you know, destroy civilization. Now that I'm a grown up myself, I apologized to him. Without those long range bombers, we'd be tonguing the sphincters of Kim Jong Il and Ahmadinejad.
It's way more complicated than the naive hippies could have ever anticipated.
I agree with both you and Fnord. Society is constantly working to limit nonconformity in order to maintain stability. We need to stretch those binding ties periodically to keep ourselves fresh and to open creative avenues. On the other hand, those who would blow up the whole structure in order to achieve change have not a clue about how to make it work. They are like young gung ho soldiers in the front lines in a war. These people create the chaos that is knitted back together by the (hopefully wiser) public administrators. My fear rises when the idealistic soldiers become the public administrators.
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#41 2009-06-18 12:40:58
sofaking wrote:
baby killers
I have been given that title on numerous occasions.
I would advance on the mouthy ones and watch them disperse.
Then I'd hit the bar for beer and straight shots.
***I do much less of that style of interpersonal control anymore.***
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#42 2009-06-18 13:28:13
Dmtdust wrote:
I Win! Bai!
Self-Satisfied
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