#2 2009-06-28 10:14:05
This happened to a client of ours. Its ugly.
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#3 2009-06-28 10:21:23
What amazes me is how starting with Nixon, all the Republicans have had a love affair with the Chinese. The Democrats at least stayed within our hemisphere when they sold us out to Mexico and Canada.
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#4 2009-06-28 10:45:16
It truly is ugly. We heard a few things about it during our interactions with builders last year.
The Chinese companies named have promised to investigate the charges and the Chinese government has promised to investigate the charges as well.
Oh, well, that's all right then.
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#5 2009-06-28 11:10:56
BTW, "Chinese Drywall" would make an excellent band name.
You know somebody was going to say it.
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#6 2009-06-28 14:06:01
Does the Chinese government's laissez faire business approach seem like Capitalist Hog Heaven to anyone else?
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#7 2009-06-28 14:36:09
Fabulous.
My apartments were built last year.
FUUUUUUUUUCK!!
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#8 2009-06-28 15:06:43
sigmoid freud wrote:
Does the Chinese government's laissez faire business approach seem like Capitalist Hog Heaven to anyone else?
Actually I would say it's much closer to Fascist Corporatism than anything else.
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#9 2009-06-28 15:50:56
sofaking wrote:
Fabulous.
My apartments were built last year.
FUUUUUUUUUCK!!
If they'd used these building materials you would definitely know about it by now. I don't think you have anything to worry about.
One of the sadder aspects, to me, is that it's highly doubtful American builders knew there was anything wrong with the material they were using--I'm not sure they'd even know the material's country of origin.
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#10 2009-06-28 16:30:30
sigmoid freud wrote:
Does the Chinese government's laissez faire business approach seem like Capitalist Hog Heaven to anyone else?
Not really, a free market puts people like this out of business in a hurry. If you have a choice to buy drywall packed with industrial waste vs. normal every day drywall, most people would choose the normal drywall.
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#11 2009-06-28 16:45:28
Dirckman wrote:
sigmoid freud wrote:
Does the Chinese government's laissez faire business approach seem like Capitalist Hog Heaven to anyone else?
Not really, a free market puts people like this out of business in a hurry. If you have a choice to buy drywall packed with industrial waste vs. normal every day drywall, most people would choose the normal drywall.
Yeah, but that assumes the buyer knows where the fuck his drywall's from. Because of little or no regulation of the industry, there is no requirement for origin labels on this shit. I know. I just checked the drywall I have sitting out in the garage for patch jobs.
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#12 2009-06-29 06:27:46
sofaking wrote:
My apartments were built last year.
I will ask, and you will probably know the answer: For what metal is Arizona best known to have mined? Nonetheless, the cheapskates who built my current apartment complex, in roughly 1977, decided to go with Japanese copper, presumably because it was more economical than local supplies, somehow.
So, now, here we are, thirty years later. Every time the central chiller/heating units for the complex have to switch over from cooling to heating or vice versa, there's a two week period when residents have neither. This could possibly be dismissed on the genuine need to let the system vent, but once on, there are at least two or three first floor apartments whose floors simply explode from the water pressure. Then we're all without heat/cooling for another day or so while they jackhammer the shit out of the floors. A month or so back, I got a flood all the way up to the second floor through the bathtub (where domestic and A/C water should not mix). The guy below me had to move out.
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#13 2009-06-29 10:49:40
pALEPHx wrote:
sofaking wrote:
My apartments were built last year.
I will ask, and you will probably know the answer: For what metal is Arizona best known to have mined? Nonetheless, the cheapskates who built my current apartment complex, in roughly 1977, decided to go with Japanese copper, presumably because it was more economical than local supplies, somehow.
So, now, here we are, thirty years later. Every time the central chiller/heating units for the complex have to switch over from cooling to heating or vice versa, there's a two week period when residents have neither. This could possibly be dismissed on the genuine need to let the system vent, but once on, there are at least two or three first floor apartments whose floors simply explode from the water pressure. Then we're all without heat/cooling for another day or so while they jackhammer the shit out of the floors. A month or so back, I got a flood all the way up to the second floor through the bathtub (where domestic and A/C water should not mix). The guy below me had to move out.
To make matters even more fucked, the “Japanese” copper was probably American scrap that was sent to Japan for recycling!
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#14 2009-06-29 11:06:23
pALEPHx wrote:
sofaking wrote:
My apartments were built last year.
I will ask, and you will probably know the answer: For what metal is Arizona best known to have mined? Nonetheless, the cheapskates who built my current apartment complex, in roughly 1977, decided to go with Japanese copper, presumably because it was more economical than local supplies, somehow.
So, now, here we are, thirty years later. Every time the central chiller/heating units for the complex have to switch over from cooling to heating or vice versa, there's a two week period when residents have neither. This could possibly be dismissed on the genuine need to let the system vent, but once on, there are at least two or three first floor apartments whose floors simply explode from the water pressure. Then we're all without heat/cooling for another day or so while they jackhammer the shit out of the floors. A month or so back, I got a flood all the way up to the second floor through the bathtub (where domestic and A/C water should not mix). The guy below me had to move out.
I just had my buddies obtain an apartment here, because their last apartment had similar issues as yours. It flooded, the A/C wouldn't work (and you know summers here), when they moved in, some former crackhead tenant had cut the wires to all the appliances, etc.
And the bitch landlord hated to fix things. The weird thing is that since the economy is shot, 1 bedrooms that went for $1100.00 are now only $750.00 here. And these are NICE (toxic Chinese drywall notwithstanding).
Japanese copper? I didn't think Japan had enough open spaces to even have a copper mine!
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#15 2009-06-29 11:14:25
If it was "Japanese" copper it probably originated in Australia. (Sofa's remark set off a couple old memory cells.)
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#16 2009-06-29 11:21:28
Depending on what was used on the walls, it could take some time for issues to arise. Just Sayin'
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#17 2009-06-29 11:38:49
sofaking wrote:
Japanese copper? I didn't think Japan had enough open spaces to even have a copper mine!
They don't. Japan is the planet's scrounge. In fairness to China, it's hard to imagine any multinational anywhere giving a fuck what it dumps on turd world markets. That's right, we just another unregulated turd world market.
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