sofaking wrote:

It helps clean my tarnished karma.

Am I to understand there is still a dark spot on your soul for me then?

*tapping fingers impatiently*

:)

Dmtdust wrote:

Was that an emoticon?  Should George know about this?  hmmmm?

I'm in less of shit stirring mood than normal but a shit stirring mood nonetheless.

icangetyouatoe wrote:

What information do I give you? Do I email you? Email me!

Birth date, time, and place (city, state).

Email it to my personal email.

I'll do yer daughter's, too.

I'm busy as hell today (major vehicle auctions today, and payday for my peeps), so it might be a minute...

phreddy wrote:

I'm sorry Sofie, but the belief that alignment of our solar system at one's birth somehow predicts personality and events in lives ranks right up there with all the major superstitions.  It began as a method to keep track of the seasons and add some order to the passage of time.  For that, it is is valid.  But apart from blind faith (the same kind Christians, Jews, Buddists, Taoists, Voodoo priests, etc rely upon), there is no reason to accept that Astrology is anything but suggestion and superstition.

There is no reason for you to accept it, because you've never studied it. I tried to say that the newspaper generalizations aren't really what it's about.

Carl Sagan, Ben Frankilin, Johannes Kepler, Plato, Galileo, and many other scientists knew better.

It's all good.

sofaking wrote:

phreddy wrote:

I'm sorry Sofie, but the belief that alignment of our solar system at one's birth somehow predicts personality and events in lives ranks right up there with all the major superstitions.  It began as a method to keep track of the seasons and add some order to the passage of time.  For that, it is is valid.  But apart from blind faith (the same kind Christians, Jews, Buddists, Taoists, Voodoo priests, etc rely upon), there is no reason to accept that Astrology is anything but suggestion and superstition.

There is no reason for you to accept it, because you've never studied it. I tried to say that the newspaper generalizations aren't really what it's about.

Carl Sagan, Ben Frankilin, Johannes Kepler, Plato, Galileo, and many other scientists knew better.

It's all good.

Perhaps scientists from 100 years ago + may have bought into it because they didn't know better, but Carl Sagan certainly did not.  Read his book entitled Demon-Haunted World.  or listen to his own words on the subject.

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phreddy wrote:

sofaking wrote:

phreddy wrote:

I'm sorry Sofie, but the belief that alignment of our solar system at one's birth somehow predicts personality and events in lives ranks right up there with all the major superstitions.  It began as a method to keep track of the seasons and add some order to the passage of time.  For that, it is is valid.  But apart from blind faith (the same kind Christians, Jews, Buddists, Taoists, Voodoo priests, etc rely upon), there is no reason to accept that Astrology is anything but suggestion and superstition.

There is no reason for you to accept it, because you've never studied it. I tried to say that the newspaper generalizations aren't really what it's about.

Carl Sagan, Ben Frankilin, Johannes Kepler, Plato, Galileo, and many other scientists knew better.

It's all good.

Perhaps scientists from 100 years ago + may have bought into it because they didn't know better, but Carl Sagan certainly did not.  Read his book entitled Demon-Haunted World.  or listen to his own words on the subject.

I am going to shutthefuckup now.

If anyone would like a complimentary natal chart, I'd be happy to try to persuade you that I'm not a fucking lunatic.

Well, maybe I am a little...but I swear to BOB it works.

George Orr wrote:

sofaking wrote:

If anyone would like a complimentary natal chart, I'd be happy to try to persuade you that I'm not a fucking lunatic.

Who can resist a freebie?  What info do you need?

What if it's a freebie like the Scientologist's "Personality Inventory"? Mr. Sofie's oldest sister is your age, and has been stalked by the Scientologists since the early '80s.

Birthdate, time, place (city, state).

*hands George a flower*

I grew up in Laguna Beach, where you learn to never take the flower. Or the free vegetarian meal at the temple.

Hmm.

05/01/1960, 7:30 a.m., Farmville, Virginia, USA.

I'm not worried about the Scientologists.  They don't want me--I'm dead broke.

sofaking wrote:

Carl Sagan

Lies.

The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Dr. Carl Sagan wrote:

In the middle 1970s an astronomer I admire put together a modest manifesto called "Objections to Astrology" and asked me to endorse it.  I struggled with his wording, and in the end found myself unable to sign -- not because I thought astology has any validity whatever, but because I felt (and still feel) that the tone of the statement was authoritarian.

[...]

Many valid criticisms of astrology can be formulated in a few sentences: for example, its acceptance of precession of the equinoxes in announcing an "Age of Aquarius" and its rejection of precession of the equinoxes in casting horoscopes; its neglect of atmospheric refraction; its list of supposedly significant celestial objects that is mainly limited to naked eye objects known to Ptolomy in the second century, and that ignores an enormous variety of new astronomical objects discovered since (where is the astrology of near-Earth asteroids?); inconsistent requirements for detailed information on the time as compared to the latitude and longitude of birth; the failure of astrology to pass the identical-twin test; the major differences in horoscopes cast from the same birth information by different astrologers; and the absence of demonstrated correlation between horoscopes and such psychological tests as the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory.

What I would have signed is a statement describing and refuting the principal tenets of astrological belief.  Such a statement would have been far more persuasive than what was actually circulated and published. [...] No stuffy dismissal by a gaggle of scientists makes contact with the social needs that astrology -- no matter how invalid it is -- addresses, and science does not.

Sofa, I don't have the right email for you. Email me it, will ya?

icangetyouatoe wrote:

Sofa, I don't have the right email for you. Email me it, will ya?

I will email you, but you're gonna go to the site above, too to get yours.

When it asks you what system to use, choose "Placidus".

I want to see what you think of it, too.

It explains things better than I can (without writing a boring fucking book).

icangetyouatoe wrote:

You're racking up serious good karma points today, sistah.

Hey there 'Toe...