#1 2010-06-16 14:26:26
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#2 2010-06-16 16:17:51
Polilticians = politicians
The same fucks that wanted to be class president back in Jr. High
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#3 2010-06-16 19:32:32
I still think the guy honestly believed he would be able to waive his hand and make it so. We all used to believe that the president had such powers, back when we were freshmen in college. The problem is this just proves he was not ready for the job, has no real leadership experience, and is in way over his head.
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#4 2010-06-16 20:14:46
You are correct, he was set up. There is no way the Repugnants wanted to win so it was going either to the ultimate bitch or the black dude.
Poor Barry had the bad luck to be elected.
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#5 2010-06-16 20:15:22
I wonder if we'll see an "independent" sweep of congressional elections.
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#6 2010-06-16 20:26:57
Snowballs chance in hell.
Teaparty=Republican=Negative Spin Masters
The message of despair always works when the Republicans are out of power.
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#7 2010-06-16 22:25:50
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I see things very differently I guess. I think Obama is doing as good a job as can be expected of someone who people believe has power, but really has very little. He has to ask Congress for everything, and that is no easy task regardless of party, but especially with Phreddy's party of "no" around thinking only about big business and not the American people.
I am tired of hearing the Phreds of the world whining about how bad a president we have, how little he has done, how slowly he reacts.
As I see it, Obama got health care through Congress, something that Dems have been trying to get passed for how long now? 30 years? 40? Of course the Right would rather use their hard earned dollars to sponsor missionaries to go and bother otherwise happy people in third world countries and teach them all about the wonders of their lord and savior. Which, as we all know, is much more important than the health and well-being of Americans here at home.
He and Congress bailed out the big banks, thus saving this economy and our people from an even bigger mess than we have seen. And since the Right is all about big business, they fight that one as well, even though they originally sponsored said bill.
It looks like he also is going to get a bill passed to control the out of control banking industry. Where is the Right on this one? You got it. Fighting the bill which would make things better.
So now the Right sees this oil spill as a new weapon to use against Obama. But aren't they the ones who allowed BP to get away with all the violations which led to this mess? All of their pandoring to big business has created the lead up to this inevitable disaster.
They argue that Obama should be doing more about the oil spill. What is interesting is they never say what he should do, just that he should do more. I think he is doing excellently as evidenced by this amount of money we have saved by NOT helping BP cleanup their mess. "British energy major BP Plc on Monday said the response to the devastating oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico has so far cost the company $1.6 billion." Of course if Obama was spending money to clean up this disaster, they would be whining about that too.
And now they are arguing that stopping deep water drilling until we know what exactly happened here so that it can never happen again will hurt the economy which they have fought to keep down. The Right can go straight in the shitter for all I care about their big business BS. They also are arguing against getting rid of the cap on how much BP should have to pay in the end for this disaster. If that is not showing that the Right is in the pocket of big business, I don't know what could. Again, I see this as a correct decision for our President.
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#8 2010-06-16 23:38:02
Pussy wrote:
I am tired of hearing the Phreds of the world whining about how bad a president we have, how little he has done, how slowly he reacts.
Sorry Pussy, but that really was Jon Stewart in that clip, not me.
Meanwhile, your anointed president is preparing to grab theultimate free speech kill switch. Congress is giving him the right to shut down the Internet. Just like they do in China. You must be so proud.
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#9 2010-06-16 23:44:13
I still prefer the observation* that most of Obama's detractors just can't stand the idea of a jigaboo in the White House and thus make as much trouble as possible, for no logical reason other that they be hatin'.
*by, I think, Taint?
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#10 2010-06-17 06:55:06
Paul Joseph Watson wrote:
The federal government would have “absolute power” to shut down the Internet under the terms of a new US Senate bill being pushed by Joe Lieberman
My "anointed president"? It clearly says sponsored by "what party DO I belong to" Joe Lieberman.
Alex Jones? Prison Planet? Really Phreddy? That's your source?
I would tend to agree with sigmoid (and Taint) on this one. Where fnord is open and honest about his hate, people like you are more subtle. They come up with excuses, most of which make no sense at all, and use them to deflect from their bigotry.
Paul Joseph Watson wrote:
Lieberman has been pushing for government regulation of the Internet for years under the guise of cybersecurity
Phreddy, please get your anointed leaders straight.
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#11 2010-06-17 11:10:59
Lordy Phreddy, Have you forgotten that we are at war. Have you gone soft on our enemies since Obama came in? Cyberterrorist are plotting right now to get us. "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror."
What civil liberties have you actually lost anyways in the administrations prosecution of the war on terror?
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#12 2010-06-17 13:13:45
Pussy,
The source of the news has no relevance to its veracity. If it's true, then please respond to the issue, not your bias against the source. Regardless of his party affiliation, Lieberman is a liberal. And if the Senate passes this piece of shit, it will go to the Anointed One. If he vetoes it, I will apologize for assuming he is a power grabbing autocrat.
Johnny,
I am surprised you would meekly accept granting any president the sole power to switch off or censor the Internet. The potential for political misuse doesn't bother you at all?
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#13 2010-06-17 14:16:36
phreddy,
You intimated that it was Obama who was trying to pass this bill. Just eat your shit and enjoy it. Now, had you said that Lieberman was trying to get the bill passed, then you would have been correct.
The source of the news has EVERY relevance to the story being told, and Alex Jones is not a news source. He is a talking head, like Rush or Glenn, and as such has no credibility whatsoever. Have you enjoyed any of his fine, fear inducing films? All, by the way, unproven and full of errors. The article contained nothing new, nothing different and nothing substantial. The article basically repeated what Lieberman has been trying to do for years, with no success I might add. So that makes this just another fear inducing tactic by the Right. If you can't win on your merits, scare them into voting for you.
How's that working out for you?
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#14 2010-06-17 14:40:54
sigmoid freud wrote:
I still prefer the observation* that most of Obama's detractors just can't stand the idea of a jigaboo in the White House and thus make as much trouble as possible, for no logical reason other that they be hatin'.
*by, I think, Taint?
I've probably said that many people oppose Obama because he is black - and I believe that to be true - but that's hardly the only reason. Ideology certainly factors in but, just this morning, I ran across yet another email from the Right-wing OneNewsNow claiming proof that Obama is, indeed, a Muslim.
For all my frustration with Obama - and Stewart touches on them quite effectively - most opposition to the president is largely reactionary and, I'll take the hits now, largely uninformed. Teabaggers are still a largely ill-informed lot. Waving the flag around isn't patriotism. Obama has inherited a shit-pile from the previous administration and, despite that, has managed to work for his own efforts at reform in various areas while trying to manage a disastrous economy.
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#15 2010-06-17 15:33:57
phreddy wrote:
Regardless of his party affiliation, Lieberman is a liberal.
The average Republican is a conservative. The average Democrat is a vaguely left-leaning centrist that gets called a liberal or a socialist. Lieberman still gets called a liberal, while his analogue in the Republican party, Arlen Specter, gets kicked the fuck out to make room for the crazy conservatives (and you have enough respect for reality to know that there are batshit crazy ones--plenty of them). Michele Bachman gets a seat at the table as a respectable voice, while her analogue Kucinich is ignored by all sides.
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#16 2010-06-18 13:36:51
Taint wrote:
For all my frustration with Obama - and Stewart touches on them quite effectively - most opposition to the president is largely reactionary and, I'll take the hits now, largely uninformed. Teabaggers are still a largely ill-informed lot. Waving the flag around isn't patriotism. Obama has inherited a shit-pile from the previous administration and, despite that, has managed to work for his own efforts at reform in various areas while trying to manage a disastrous economy.
Taint, it isn't just the Tea Party who are beginning to see Obama for what he is, a well-spoken empty suit. Here is a story from the Wall Street Journal. Before we condemn the source, read some of the Left's quotes in the story.
The president's failure to turn things around Tuesday night with a speech damaged his reputation as a man whose rhetorical powers are such that he can turn things around with a speech. He lessened his own mystique. Reaction among his usual supporters was, in the words of Time's Mark Halperin, "fierce, unforeseen disappointment." Dan Froomkin of the Huffington Post called the speech "profoundly underwhelming," a "feeble call to action." Former Clinton Labor Secretary Robert Reich called the speech "vapid." Lynn Sweet of the Chicago Sun-Times said the president looked "awkward and robotic." MSNBC's Keith Olbermann famously said "It was a great speech if you were on another planet for the last 57 days." Chris Matthews scored "a lot of meritocracy, a lot of blue ribbon talk." Mr. Olbermann, on Mr. Obama's well-written peroration: "It's nice but, again, how? Where was the 'how' in this speech when the nation is crying out for 'how'?"
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#17 2010-06-18 23:04:23
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#18 2010-06-19 00:13:28
phreddy wrote:
your anointed president
Come on Phreddy, we've been over this before: Bush lost the vote and was "annointed" by the Supreme Court. Obama won by an overwhelming margin.
Bush = Annointed
Obama = Elected
Try to keep it straight.
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