#51 2010-06-21 19:21:23
phreddy wrote:
Fled wrote:
phreddy wrote:
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When things pick up the locusts will be on the move.Is that how you see them? There but for the grace of gahd. . . . . I hope that when and if you ever become desperate nobody pulls out a bottle of bug juice for you.
Just because they are all human beings and have every right to attempt to better themselves does not mean I must be required to use politically correct language to describe their plight. I might be more respectful if they applied for visas, the way we do when we visit their countries.
It's not a matter of political correctness. It's how you think. You are not describing their plight, you are characterizing them. Time for your bug juice, Mr. Lee.
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#53 2010-06-21 21:38:43
Remember what I said about evidence versus anecdotes? No one disputes that crime has been perpetrated by Mexican drug cartels. This incident, however, doesn't in any way contradict the comprehensive FBI reports on crime in the area.
But I suspect you knew that.
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#54 2010-06-21 22:01:21
Emmeran wrote:
So Tojo, what is your theory on illegal immigration?
Do you want us to just open the doors to all comers - cuz be warned are about 500 million people around the world who would love to come here. What do you propose to do with them?
And if we are going to grant amnesty, what is the cut off? And what about the poor little kid that arrived 5 minutes after the cut-off?
And where will my kids get jobs? (Hint: they can't get them now, all of the typical High School jobs are filled with illegal immigrant)
Let me preface this by saying that I was pointing out that the conventional wisdom that we need to crack down on the borders RIGHT NOW because of a huge influx of extreme fajitas crossing the border and causing violence. This doesn't mean that I'm an open borders advocate.
I'm not dumb enough to think that I can devise the ultimate solution to Life, the Mexicans, and Everything off the top of my head, but here's what makes the most sense to me so far:
* A six-month window for all illegal immigrants to register
* Upon registration, each immigrant receives a 2-year probationary residency if they can prove they have lived in the US for two years. During those two years they would be required to go through certain mandatory steps
-- Citizenship classes
-- Inoculations
-- Maintain proof of employment
-- Enroll children in school
-- Stay out of jail
* Recreate the Migrant Visa program for seasonal agricultural work
* At the end of the six month registration period, a serious crackdown on businesses and a (real) Social Security verification process
-- (we sort of have one now, but it's ridiculous and doesn't do anything)
* Eliminate the secret ICE detention facilities
* There would still be the problem of people who work under the table, but there aren't enough of those jobs to feed the millions of people we have here now. Let's start with the low-hanging fruit
* We would still have to patrol the borders, but with serious enforcement on employers, the numbers would go way down, since relatively easy-to-find jobs are the #1 reason why people cross into the US
* There might have to be some kind of exemption for the elderly who are living with their working families
The solution above tries to do the best to avoid a humanitarian crisis, keep the economy from hitting major snags, and make people who really want to be here put in some effort.
The biggest thing that could derail the whole thing, though, is a problem now. If we don't apply the law firmly and fairly, then the whole thing falls apart. Right now the application of the laws is arbitrary. Most businesses face little chance of serious repercussions if they hire illegal immigrants, and they know it. Most illegal immigrants know that they can fairly easily get work. Breaking that cycle will be central to any immigration reform, no matter what form it takes.
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#55 2010-06-21 23:27:02
tojo2000 wrote:
* A six-month window for all illegal immigrants to register
* Upon registration, each immigrant receives a 2-year probationary residency if they can prove they have lived in the US for two years. During those two years they would be required to go through certain mandatory steps
-- Citizenship classes
-- Inoculations
-- Maintain proof of employment
-- Enroll children in school
-- Stay out of jail
Why??
How do you propose to prevent further influx if each and every time you reward them with citizenship.
I favor an immigrant worker program as well:
-- You can only apply from a US Consulate in your home state (in person).
-- You must return home after two years
-- Employers are identified before you enter
-- Employers pay lawful wages and a federal fee to provide transporation, health care, etc.
-- You must have a valid drivers license from your home country.
-- You must return home and apply again upon expiration of your work program
-- Failure to follow these laws exempts you from the work program and Visa consideration.
-- Citizenship can only come from existing Visa Lottery
Remember, Reagan (yes that guy y'all hate) granted the last amnesty 24 years ago; amnesty to 4.5 million illegal immigrants, under like conditions to those you propose. Today we have 20 million demanding amnesty - that course of action has been proven not to work.
Far too many people around the world are waiting and have been waiting for years for their opportunity to emigrate to America, so how can you justify rewarding those who show a complete disrespect for our laws and our society? Yes, I understand the warm and fuzzy feel good part of it; but stern fairness and justice provide far more compassion and mercy than a weak knee'd reaction to a situation created by someone intent on breaking the law just to get in on the next amnesty program.
Your proposal is a slap to the face of those who have attempted to follow our laws and proves that we are not "a nation of laws" but rather a nation of whim and political corruption.
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#56 2010-06-22 04:28:26
Edit: aw, fuck it. I got nothin'.
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