phreddy wrote:

Another human interest story from the Religion of Peace.

Yeah, there's a lot of that religion of peace stuff going around.  I realize this is a very old story,  but I bring it up because it never made the mainstream media.  Curious that.

opsec wrote:

Yeah, there's a lot of that religion of peace stuff going around.  I realize this is a very old story,  but I bring it up because it never made the mainstream media.  Curious that.

I don't know, that article made it seem like the shooter was motivated by crazy rather than religion. If it wasn't the atheist thing, it probably would have been something else--Larry was a lizard person or something.

Emmeran wrote:

both religions worship the god of abraham

Oh I agree, and view all three with the same gimlet eye.

fnord wrote:

There is no indication from the article that the maid was nailed because of Islam.  Her employers were just cruel sociopaths like many other people in this world.

It's the Muslim license to treat nonbelievers and especially women as animals or chattel.  Personally, I believe all religion is the bane of mankind, but at least most holy doctrines don't provide remedies of torture and murder for trivial offenses.

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opsec wrote:

Yeah, there's a lot of that religion of peace stuff going around.  I realize this is a very old story,  but I bring it up because it never made the mainstream media.  Curious that.

My favorite old and ignored story about a crazy Shi‘ite head.  The bar still has bullet holes.

He said it was that kind of trash that was leading guys like him on and that they deserved to be punished. ... He did a pretty good job of degrading the women

phoQ wrote:

My favorite old and ignored story about a crazy Shi‘ite head.  The bar still has bullet holes.

That Berkeley story sure is an oldie but goodie. While this article doesn't reveal the details, our story's protagonist brought a bag of carrots to the bar. During his hostage standoff, he forced all of the blonde women at gunpoint to dildo each other with said carrots on top of the bar. Or rather they forced him to do it. . .

phreddy wrote:

Islam has it's roots in the Old Testament, same as the Jews and Christians.  And the Bible presents a mean, cruel god who demands death for individuals and promises eventual annihilation of humanity.  The difference is that the mainstream Jews and Christians have moved on.  They no longer condone the brutal retributions meted out for minor offenses.  But those barbaric practices are still mainstream Muslim doctrine.  How do we as a country deal with governments which encode laws allowing fathers to murder their daughters if they are raped, or stone lovers who are not married?

But for the Liberals and the ACLU we are no different than they are; were the Far-right to have it's way the 10 commandments would be the rule of law here.

Keep in mind that those "bleeding heart liberals" you hate so much are doing more for your freedom than any right wing radio pundit.

Em wrote:

Keep in mind that those "bleeding heart liberals" you hate so much are doing more for your freedom than any right wing radio pundit.

The ACLU maybe.  Although they seem to focus the majority their energy on defending politically liberal causes.  As for liberals, you couldn't be more wrong.  Just look at the state of free speech in universities these days.  There is none if you aren't a liberal.  Also, we make fun of political correctness here.  Where do you think that comes from?  Liberals have that "end justifies the means" attitude as expressed by Saul Alinski, Obama's community organizing guru, in his book, Rules For Radicals.  No, liberals would be the new Nazis if they had their way. 

"A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism."  Saul Alinsky

EDIT:  Yes, the link to Alinsky's Rules is to a site developed by a religious group.  However, it sticks pretty much to quotes from his book.

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Taint wrote:

Of course, I think they're all equally misguided but that's neither here nor there.

There it is.

Emmeran wrote:

phreddy wrote:

The ACLU maybe.

Differences between Bushes, Clintons, and Obamas are of degree, not kind.

I have a problem with that statement.  Bush and Clinton both believed in America's social and financial systems.  Each wanted to steer them in slightly different directions.  Obama apparently believes our systems are not worth saving and wants to remake them in a wholesale manner.  The problem is that neither he nor his advisors have the experience and capacity to foresee the ramifications of his experiment. 

Read Thomas Sowell's article on the fallacy of giving the power of public policy to a centralized group of intelligent people. 

Thomas Sowell wrote:

One of the ideas that has proved to be almost impervious to evidence is the idea that wise and far-sighted people need to take control and plan economic and social policies so that there will be a rational and just order, rather than chaos resulting from things being allowed to take their own course. It sounds so logical and plausible that demanding hard evidence would seem almost like nit-picking.

Elites may have more brilliance, but those who make decisions for society as a whole cannot possibly have as much experience as the millions of people whose decisions they pre-empt.

Emmeran wrote:

phreddy wrote:

I have a problem with that statement.  Bush and Clinton both believed in America's social and financial systems.  Each wanted to steer them in slightly different directions.  Obama apparently believes our systems are not worth saving and wants to remake them in a wholesale manner.  The problem is that neither he nor his advisors have the experience and capacity to foresee the ramifications of his experiment.

First read the article, you should probably read it twice and take some time to digest it.  You are so adamant that the Republicans are the beacons of light you cannot admit to the truth; the last 6 presidents were truthfully the same person.

My friends told me that, they said they were voting for Ralph Nader because there was no difference between Bush and Gore. They don't say that any more.

lechero wrote:

That Berkeley story sure is an oldie but goodie. While this article doesn't reveal the details, our story's protagonist brought a bag of carrots to the bar. During his hostage standoff, he forced all of the blonde women at gunpoint to dildo each other with said carrots on top of the bar. Or rather they forced him to do it. . .

Thanks lechero, I didn‘t know that and I go there a lot.  This year, pub trivia is on the same day as the 20th anniversary.  I‘m bringing a bag of carrots.

Emmeran wrote:

Too true

Only in Berkeley would a pub be full at 7:30 in the morning.

I once spent a summer renting a room from a crazy Lebanese guy. He came here in the late 70's as a "refugee" and college student. After paying some guy in Beirut to take his SATs and TOEFFELs, he moved to the US and took his first scholarship check and bought a Camaro, a fake drivers license and new clothes. He spent his days fixing copiers, dodging the tax man and process servers and doing some low-level weed dealing of truly horrible grade Z-minus schwag. He hated all Jews, Americans, women, judges, cops and people with full-time jobs. He would drink crappy beer with his friends 6 days a week and then forbid me to have a beer in my room on Friday because it was a "holy day". He had been briefly married and had two kids, a girl and a boy. Instead of telling his Mom that he got divorced he told her that his wife and daughter died in a car wreck, but she came to visit that summer for the first time in 15 years and he had some serious backpedaling to do. Watching that go down was worth the rest of the shit I had to eat that summer!

Some people just aren't ready to handle life in America.