#1 2010-04-10 16:29:28
Evidence that 911 was an inside job
Quote, "The Media Response to the Growing Influence of the 9/11 Truth Movement.
Part II: A Survey of Attitude Change in 2009-2010
by Elizabeth Woodworth
Global Research, February 15, 2010
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? … context=va
Abstract
In the past year, in response to emerging independent science on the 9/11 attacks, nine corporate, seven public, and two independent media outlets aired analytic programs investigating the official account.
Increasingly, the issue is treated as a scientific controversy worthy of debate, rather than as a "conspiracy theory" ignoring science and common sense.
This essay presents these media analyses in the form of 18 case studies.
Eight countries – Britain, Canada, Denmark, France, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway and Russia – have allowed their publicly-owned broadcasting stations to air the full spectrum of evidence challenging the truth of the official account of 9/11.
This more open approach taken in the international media – I could also have included the Japanese media – might be a sign that worldwide public and corporate media organizations are positioning themselves, and preparing their audiences, for a possible revelation of the truth of the claim that forces within the US government were complicit in the attacks – a revelation that would call into question the publicly given rationale for the military operations in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.
The evidence now being explored in the international media may pave the way for the US media to take an in-depth look at the implications of what is now known about 9/11, and to re-examine the country's foreign and domestic policies in the light of this knowledge.
I. Introduction
Until 2009, doubts about the official 9/11 story were briefly entertained by the mainstream media on each anniversary of the event, allowing the independent research community only a fleeting moment once a year to publicly voice its findings.
But after crucial scientific evidence emerged in April 2009 to challenge the official story of how the towers fell, a spate of European media reports followed. The news coverage of this evidence seems to have opened the door to more serious reflection on all aspects of the 9/11 issue in the major media.
The first paper in my series, "The Media Response to 9/11," dealt with the New Statesman's grudging recognition of Dr. David Ray Griffin, the world's "top truther" (as it dubbed him), placing him number 41 among "The 50 People Who Matter Today."1 Since this admission in September 2009, the issue has gathered increasing momentum.
The collective content issuing from this new momentum is presented here in the hope that it will embolden other major media to take up the pivotal controversy concerning 9/11, and pursuing the truth wherever it may lead.
Observations on the Analysis
While carrying out my analysis, I observed five new features in the media treatment of the 9/11 issue that developed as 2009 progressed. They are listed here, so that readers might look for them in the case studies that follow below:
1. The 9/11 issue is increasingly framed not as conspiracy theories versus hard science, but as a legitimate controversy resting on unanswered questions and a search for truth.
2. News reports and television programs examining these controversies have become longer and more balanced.
3. Major media outlets have begun to present the claims of the truth movement first, followed by counter-arguments from defenders of the official story.
4. Major media outlets have begun to include, and even to introduce, extensive evidence to support the claims of the 9/11 truth community.
5. The media treatments increasingly suggest the possibility of a re-investigation into the events of September 11, 2001.
The first part of this essay deals with the crucial scientific evidence that emerged in early 2009, the significance of this evidence in relation to the official story of 9/11, and the immediate news coverage it received.
II. Scientific Paper Finds Nano-thermite Explosives in World Trade Center Dust, April 3, 2009
A peer-reviewed paper published in the Open Chemical Physics Journal on April 3, 2009,2 reported that a little known high-tech explosive called nano-thermite was found throughout the World Trade Center dust.
These physicists and chemists involved in this study discovered "distinctive red/gray chips in significant numbers"3 in four samples of dust collected from the area. The presence of aluminum and iron oxide in the red material provided one of the signs that it might be nano-thermite, which is a high explosive (whereas ordinary thermite is an incendiary.)
Another clue was provided when putting a flame to the chips produced an explosive reaction.
On the basis of these and other observations, the team concluded that "the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material."4
The article's first-named author, Dr. Niels Harrit – a University of Copenhagen chemistry professor who specializes in nano-chemistry5 –explained on Danish TV2 News:
"Thermite itself dates back to 1893. It is a mixture of aluminum and rust-powder, which react to create intense heat. The reaction produces iron, heated to 2500 degrees Centigrade. This can be used to do welding. It can also be used to melt other iron.
"So in nano-thermite, this powder from 1893 is reduced to tiny particles, perfectly mixed. When these react, the intense heat develops much more quickly. Nano-thermite can be mixed with additives to give off intense heat, or serve as a very effective explosive. It contains more energy than dynamite, and can be used as rocket fuel.
"You cannot fudge this kind of science. We have found it: unreacted thermite."6
What was the significance of this sophisticated material?
Reported Evidence that Nano-thermite is a Military Substance
In a German interview in May 2009, Dr. Harrit said: "There are no experts on nano-thermite without connections to the military…. This stuff has only been prepared under military contracts in the USA and probably in bigger allied countries. This is secret military research…It was not prepared in a cave in Afghanistan."7
Chemist Kevin Ryan, another co-author, had reported in an earlier article that explosive nano-thermite, which may be painted onto surfaces, was developed by US government scientists at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories.8
A United States Department of Defense special publication confirms that work on these "energetic materials" has long been "performed in laboratories within all military services."9
According to a June 2009 statement by Britain's prestigious Institute of Nanotechnology,10 the Harrit study "provides indisputable evidence that a highly engineered explosive called nano-thermite was found in the dust of all three buildings that came down on 9/11 2001 in New York city. [sic] This advanced explosive incorporating nanotechnology is only available to sophisticated military labs."11
It thus became known by mid-2009 that explosives of military origin, probably in the United States, had been involved in the World Trade Center collapses.
Early Coverage of the Nano-thermite Finding in the European Mainstream Press
Although the new scientific evidence against the official story of 9/11 was not reported in the mainstream British or North American media, it did receive attention in continental Europe.
The day the article was published, a thorough essay in the Danish journal Videnskab (Science) examined both sides of the controversy about controlled demolition.12
The same issue of Videnskab also carried an interview with Professor Harrit, who answered pointed questions about the peer-review history of the article, and the military nature of nano-thermite.13
The following day, Denmark's politiken.dk reported the scientific nano-thermite paper in an article called (in Danish) "Conspiracy theories about 9/11 get new life."14
Then, the day after Professor Harrit's April 6 interview Danish TV2 News, he was featured on the popular talk show, "Good Morning Denmark", on which he said:
"The material we found is super hi-tech frontline military research. It's not a mixture of random chemicals. It's an advanced material which is difficult to get information on. But some conference papers and internal reports have been published…There has to be a normal forensic investigation of this attempt. Our research is high-level forensic work. We have provided technical evidence that can be used in the future investigation."15
On April 13, an online Croatian political newspaper posted the Danish TV2 video interview with Harrit along with an article titled "VIDEO: 9/11 No Longer Taboo Topic in Denmark".16
Russia also took notice. On July 9, Laura Emmett, the London correspondent for RT, interviewed Dr. Niels Harrit for over 10 minutes. (RT, previously known as Russia Today, is a globally broadcast English-language channel sponsored by the state-owned news agency RIA Novosti. It reaches 1.5 million people monthly, including half a million Americans.) Stating that "the evidence for controlled demolition is overwhelming", Harrit reported that the nano-thermite reaction produced pools of molten iron beneath the rubble and inextinguishable fires that lasted for months.17
I turn now to ways that the mainstream news coverage of the case against the official story has changed since the appearance of the nano-thermite paper.
III. The Changing Mainstream Media Treatment of 9/11 Evidence from early 2009 to early 2010: 18 Case Studies
Two February 2009 news items illustrate the wary mainstream attitude towards conspiracy theorists early in the year. A New York Times article said about actor Daniel Sunjata:
The second episode of "Rescue Me's" fifth season, starting in April, may represent the first fictional presentation of 9/11 conspiracy theories by a mainstream media company…Mr. Sunjata's character delivers a two-minute monologue…describing a "neoconservative government effort" to control the world's oil, drastically increase military spending and "change the definition of pre-emptive attack."
Mr. Sunjata surprised some of the TV reporters when he said that he "absolutely, 100 percent" supports the assertion that "9/11 was an inside job."18
Fox News was somewhat less constrained, saying:
An upcoming episode of the drama "Rescue Me" is about 9/11 being an inside job. The actor who spews the theories on camera, Daniel Sunjata, actually believes in it too.
Look, the fact is, actors who barf this crap are doing it for their own egos. It makes them feel smart, because for once they're spouting something provocative instead of puerile. Never mind that it's an insidious insult to the victims of 9/11 – as it is to the rest of us, who may or may not be guilty, according to Sunjata's theory.19
However, things started to change after the appearance of the nano-thermite paper on April 3, as may be seen from the following case studies of media reports, each of which is identified as having corporate, public, or independent ownership.
The case studies reveal the evidence which has been introduced into public consciousness during the past year.
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#2 2010-04-10 16:43:05
Dang, kathy, pace yourself, man.
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#3 2010-05-04 14:59:00
When the anthrax attack happened, media said a high school student could produce it. Only when scientist proved it was a military grade bio weapon, then they had to find a scapegoat - Ivins and made him a dead one. A dead man could never defend himself.
Now how will they explain the military grade nano-thermite?
There are only two places that I know where NT was being made in 2001. One was Indian Head Naval Warfare Centre just outside of Washington DC.
http://www.navsea.navy.mil/nswc/indianhead/default.aspx
The other was SNPE in Toulouse, France. We know this because 10 days after 9/11 the factory which was co-located with AZF fertiliser, blew up killed 29 people and took out all the windows in the city. The explosion was blamed on a Muslim worker that joined the company just a week beforehand.
http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/AZF
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#4 2010-05-04 15:07:33
Katha -
Did you get the hidden message?
US
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#5 2010-05-04 18:50:05
Kath, according to your second link...
Three hundred tons of giant pigs were stored (the maximum capacity was 2,000 tons) in the hangar #221. The whole factory was destroyed making a crater of depth 20 to 30 m (65 to 100 ft), with a diameter of 200 m (650 ft)
I think the giant pigs point to a far deeper conspiracy.
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#6 2010-05-04 19:07:00
Indeed, there's something sinister about french giant pigs!
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#7 2010-05-26 18:31:16
VIDEO: 9-11 Truth makes HUGE appearance at Los Angeles Anti-War March
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMiqPQdWvo4
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#8 2010-05-26 19:32:48
Hey kathaksung.
Is it hell to be you and not terminated yet?
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#9 2010-05-27 09:08:37
I've missed Kathaksung!
Welcome home, homie of crazyness!
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#10 2010-05-27 22:21:21
Fled wrote:
Katha -
Did you get the hidden message?
US
I sent a message to you too, Katha, through the metal plate in my skull.
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#12 2010-07-08 19:03:45
Army War College Prof. Says Military Brass Knows
Mossad Behind 911
Army War College Prof. Says Military Brass Knows Mossad Behind 911, Pins Hopes on U.S. Vet Organizations
by James_Madison_Lives , 04/15/2010 Daily Paul Liberty Forum
Army War College Prof. Alan Sabrosky presents convincing evidence that CIA-Mossad carried-out 911. This echoes what the formerly Italian President and head of Italian Counter-Intelligence Francesco Cossiga said in 2007: that it is widely known among all the European intelligence community that CIA-Mossad carried-out 911.http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/9-11_solved118.html
http://www.bushstole04.com/911/sabrofsky_mossad_911.htm
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#13 2010-07-30 14:18:51
No aircraft parts in the field.
Quote, "Aircraft Parts and the Precautionary Principle
Impossible to Prove a Falsehood True:
Aircraft Parts as a Clue to their Identity
by George Nelson
Colonel, USAF (ret.)
United Airlines Flight 93
This flight was reported by the federal government to be a Boeing 757 aircraft, registration number N591UA, carrying 45 persons, including four Arab hijackers who had taken control of the aircraft, crashing the plane in a Pennsylvania farm field.
Aerial photos of the alleged crash site were made available to the general public. They show a significant hole in the ground, but private investigators were not allowed to come anywhere near the crash site. If an aircraft crash caused the hole in the ground, there would have literally hundreds of serially-controlled time-change parts within the hole that would have proved beyond any shadow of doubt the precise tail-number or identity of the aircraft. However, the government has not produced any hard evidence that would prove beyond a doubt that the specifically alleged aircraft crashed at that site. On the contrary, it has been reported that the aircraft, registry number N591UA, is still in operation.
American Airlines Flight 11
This flight was reported by the government to be a Boeing 767, registration number N334AA, carrying 92 people, including five Arabs who had hijacked the plane. This plane was reported to have crashed into the north tower of the WTC complex of buildings.
Again, the government would have no trouble proving its case if only a few of the hundreds of serially controlled parts had been collected to positively identify the aircraft. A Boeing 767 landing gear or just one engine would have been easy to find and identify.
United Airlines Flight 175
This flight was reported to be a Boeing 767, registration number N612UA, carrying 65 people, including the crew and five hijackers. It reportedly flew into the south tower of the WTC.
Once more, the government has yet to produce one serially controlled part from the crash site that would have dispelled any questions as to the identity of the specific airplane.
American Airlines Flight 77
This was reported to be a Boeing 757, registration number N644AA, carrying 64 people, including the flight crew and five hijackers. This aircraft, with a 125-foot wingspan, was reported to have crashed into the Pentagon, leaving an entry hole no more than 65 feet wide.
Following cool-down of the resulting fire, this crash site would have been very easy to collect enough time-change equipment within 15 minutes to positively identify the aircraft registry. There was apparently some aerospace type of equipment found at the site but no attempt was made to produce serial numbers or to identify the specific parts found. Some of the equipment removed from the building was actually hidden from public view.
Conclusion
The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. The hard evidence would have included hundreds of critical time-change aircraft items, plus security videotapes that were confiscated by the FBI immediately following each tragic episode.
With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. Regarding the planes that allegedly flew into the WTC towers, it is only just possible that heavy aircraft were involved in each incident, but no evidence has been produced that would add credence to the government’s theoretical version of what actually caused the total destruction of the buildings, let alone proving the identity of the aircraft. That is the problem with the government’s 911 story. It is time to apply the precautionary principle.
As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country’s history.
http://www.physics911.net/georgenelson
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#15 2010-10-23 16:52:42
Danish chemist giving an interview on that he and a group of scientists found nano-thermite (!) in dust from WTC 911.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXYF5i_Slj8
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#16 2010-10-24 20:18:27
Happy Halloween, Kathaksung! What's your costume going to be?
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#17 2010-10-24 22:37:39
Hi Toe!!!
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#18 2010-10-25 00:47:56
kathaksung wrote:
Evidence that 911 was an inside job
You fucking moron, nano-thermite is a deliberate red herring. It was micro-H bombs and stealth jews.
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#19 2010-10-25 01:08:17
felch wrote:
kathaksung wrote:
Evidence that 911 was an inside job
You fucking moron, nano-thermite is a deliberate red herring. It was micro-H bombs and stealth jews.
1.A Czech Jew, Mathias Bush who left Plague and settled in Philadelphia in 18th Century could be the first generation of Bush family in U.S.A. Mathias's son, George Bush was the wartime hero during Independence war. President Bush family can be one of very first Jewish immigrant from Eastern Europe to U.S.A.
2. Barbara Pierce Bush, wife of George Bush is allegedly a descendant of Czech immigrant. Can she be another stealth Jew from Plague?
Plague. Priceless.
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#20 2010-11-09 17:22:04
Here is evidence:
Quote, "Evidence Refutes the Official 9/11 Investigation: The Scientific Forensic Facts
by Richard Gage and Gregg Roberts
Global Research, October 13, 2010
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth - 2010-10-04
AE911Truth Delivers the Evidence to the Media: Press Conference - National Press Club – Washington DC
Ed. – This is the actual 10-minute statement read by Richard Gage, AIA, to the media at the AE911Truth press conference at the National Press Club in Washington DC on September 9, 2010.
Good afternoon, my name is Richard Gage, AIA. I’m a member of the American Institute of Architects; I’ve been a licensed architect for 22 years; And I’m the founder of the non-profit organization, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth).
As a group, we now have more than 1,270 architect and engineer petition signers. Collectively, we have more than 25,000 years of building and technical experience. This press conference is being given by our petition signers and supporters today in 65 [it turned out to be 67] locations around the world, including 30 states and 4 countries.
Today, we’re here to inform you that we have uncovered evidence that the official investigations into what happened to the World Trade Center skyscrapers on 9/11 were deeply flawed, or worse. The scientific forensic facts we have discovered have very troubling implications.
For example, a technologically advanced, highly energetic material has been discovered in World Trade Center dust from the 9/11 catastrophe.
This follows the discovery, by the United States Geological Survey and others, of high concentrations of unusual previously molten iron-rich microspheres in the WTC dust. These microspheres can only have been formed during the destruction of the World Trade Center at temperatures far higher than can be explained by the jet fuel and office fires. Those fires, we are told by engineers employed by NIST, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, were allegedly the cause of the World Trade Center’s destruction. The discovery of this advanced energetic material, in the form of red/gray chips distributed throughout the dust, both explains the iron-rich microspheres and confirms the inadequacy of the official account of what happened that tragic day.
Even before the microspheres and red/gray chips had been identified and brought to our attention, we were deeply concerned about other aspects of the destruction of these iconic buildings, and how they were investigated. More than two dozen firefighters, engineers, and other witnesses reported seeing substantial quantities of molten iron or steel, flowing like lava in the debris under all three World Trade Center high-rises. Office fires and jet fuel cannot possibly reach the temperatures necessary to liquefy iron or steel. A mixture called thermite, consisting of pulverized iron oxide and aluminum, CAN generate temperatures above 4000°F -- far more than is needed to melt iron or steel, which melts at about 2750°F.
The energetic material that was found in the WTC dust by an international team of scientists (led by Niels Harrit of the University of Copenhagen in Denmark) was reported in the peer-reviewed Bentham Open Journal of Chemical Physics. It consists of nano-engineered iron oxide and aluminum particles 1000th the size of a human hair, embedded in another substance consisting of carbon, oxygen, and silicon. The sizes of the iron oxide particles are extremely uniform, and neither they nor the ultra-fine-grain aluminum platelets could possibly have been created by a natural process such as a gravitational collapse or the impact of jetliners. The red/gray chips in which these particles were found exhibit the same characteristics as advanced energetic materials developed in US national laboratories in the years leading up to 9/11. They have no reason to be in this dust. Given all the horrific costs in human lives, lost civil liberties, and trillions of tax dollars spent in response to the official account of 9/11, there can be no more urgent need than for our country and the world to find out who put those materials in the World Trade Center – and why.
.....
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? … &aid=21436
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#21 2010-11-11 01:00:52
I step out for ten minutes a couple of years and who do I see the instant I get back? Kathy! Huzzah!
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#22 2010-11-11 01:10:34
jennifer government wrote:
I step out for ten minutes a couple of years and who do I see the instant I get back? Kathy! Huzzah!
Welcome home! Something is in the air; Dirkman, HKG, and Sofie have also honored us with visits in the last few days
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#23 2010-11-11 07:28:08
Something in the air is right. I just farted.
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#24 2010-11-11 07:54:46
jennifer government wrote:
Something in the air is right. I just farted.
2 years later you still smell good. How's the bottom of the world treating you? A shame they won't let me emigrate, but you people unfortunately have standards.
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#25 2010-11-11 08:37:08
We do, we do indeed. Like, we kept Snoop Dogg out. Unfortunately we haven't yet managed to deport Rusty Crowe.
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#26 2010-11-11 19:12:30
jennifer government wrote:
We do, we do indeed. Like, we kept Snoop Dogg out. Unfortunately we haven't yet managed to deport Rusty Crowe.
Send him out to do a movie, then change the locks.
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#27 2010-11-12 06:19:38
#28 2010-11-28 15:28:46
Former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson says 9/11 was an inside job.
Here is an interview where he explains it.
YouTube- FORMER FBI CHIEF SAYS 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BKP5iNo … re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Lbmb0-ibQ
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#29 2010-11-30 21:37:25
Is kathaksung institutionalized for his or her obvious mental derangement?
There is not now, nor has there ever been, the slightest evidence presented to indicate that 9/11 was any kind of an "inside job". All attempts to present such evidence have been absolutely laughable, and demonstrably false works from ill minds.
Given the number of people who stand to gain from demonstrating that it was, in fact, an inside job, one would think that verifiable evidence would be easy to come by.
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#30 2010-11-30 21:38:31
Looked at another way...
If 9/11 was an inside job, and those people who perpetrated it had no problem with killing off 3000ish people for shits and giggles, how long do you think they'd put up with random assholes presenting actual evidence before they just "disappeared" them?
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#31 2010-11-30 21:49:54
Go troll somewhere else, pinko.
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#32 2010-11-30 22:05:41
Don't speak ill of our Kathy, peco. Kathy is indefatigable and brave. Imagine being him and having to get up every single morning and face a world that is messing with your cutlery and using air conditioning and furniture to make you sick. Where the DEA and the FBI are constantly waiting to pounce. Where your blog posts are intercepted and interfered with. Why, the man is a hero.
That said, I can't help giggling at the idea of any government (perhaps least of all the Bush II Administration) managing to plan out and execute such an undertaking successfully and then managing to keep it all under wraps for three days, much less for ten years.
Do I discount such an idea on moral grounds? Oh hell, no. I do not imagine that the murder of thousands of American citizens would trouble the likes of Cheney, Rumsfeld et al. I don't even really discount the notion that such a thing could be meticulously planned and effectively executed. But there's no fucking way such an endeavor could be kept secret. There'd be far too many people involved. Somebody would brag. Somebody would get the guilts, or get Jesus or get cancer, and want to make a clean breast.
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#33 2010-11-30 22:15:06
George Orr wrote:
and want to make a clean breast.
Yumm, love me some clean Breast!!
Or maybe with just a touch of red sauce...
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#34 2010-12-03 23:12:53
Isn't Kathy that "lightship" person from ye olde days?
Did he/she/it go off the meds again?
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#35 2010-12-03 23:16:53
Emmeran wrote:
George Orr wrote:
and want to make a clean breast.
Yumm, love me some clean Breast!!
Or maybe with just a touch of red sauce...
There's always room for breast! it's like jello, but without Bill Cosby and a lot more fun.
A small example:
No weird-ass crazy conspiracies in there. Not even hiding a scientologist.
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#36 2010-12-13 06:34:41
peco, Kathy's always been Kathy hasn't he/she/it?
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#37 2010-12-13 07:27:18
It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the parts of 911 that actually were set up by Cheney/Bush are WTC Building 7 (and possibly the Pentagon); in other words the part that failed.
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#38 2010-12-14 15:30:39
Quote, "Twelve New England towns demand 9/11 reinvestigation
Published: 04 March, 2010, 07:21
Edited: 15 September, 2010, 07:55
A new movement to reinvestigate the 9/11 attacks is gaining pace in the US. With major public support, 12 towns are set to decide whether to ask the federal government for a new independent probe.
New York is dubbed as the Empire State for its wealth and resources and is rightfully regarded as America’s most famous city, a beacon of fashion, finance and fast paced action.
http://rt.com/usa/news/twelve-new-england-towns/
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#39 2010-12-14 15:39:21
Hey Kath! Merry Christmas, you crazy old coot! May your days be filled with eggnog and explosives. :)
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#40 2010-12-14 18:49:55
Kathy, 9/11, the Kennedy Assassinations and some other recent events in American history involve organized groups you don't want to mess with. I would suggest you pipe down and pretend you don't see the elephants in the room.
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#41 2010-12-14 18:53:44
Yeah, Kat.
The Cockgobbler Commision headed by Fnordski will hold you down and make you read bullshit posts.
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