#1 2011-08-19 17:14:59

Do you wonder why I think their anthropogenic theories for global warming are full of shit?  Then read this.

It speculates that aliens, worried we might inflict the damage done to our own planet on others, might "seek to preemptively destroy our civilization in order to protect other civilizations from us."

"Humanity may just now be entering the period in which its rapid civilizational expansion could be detected by an ETI because our expansion is changing the composition of Earth's atmosphere (e.g. via greenhouse gas emissions), which therefore changes the spectral signature of Earth," the study says.

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#2 2011-08-19 18:28:28

Your Republican suck the corporate cock conservative values must be the reason you don't believe the mountains of evidence supporting "anthropogenic theories for global warming".It can't be because of some slanted report about hippie scientists who gather and discuss alien contact scenarios. First, the headline is even slanted. "Scientist Frets"? Really? It seems they were just throwing ideas around. But I'll give you that. Just show me the report. Oh wait, they didn't link to one. How do I know they haven't read another Onion article?

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#4 2011-08-19 20:10:02

So you're  saying the human race is presently invisible to potential visitors?

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#5 2011-08-19 20:23:45

nfidelbastard wrote:

Like I said, some hippie scientists- Well, because I’m a geek and stuff like this is fun to think about

I don't think Phweddski and his Bro's will grasp the gist of that explanation; it speaks to facts, not histrionics.

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#6 2011-08-19 22:54:32

Phred, it's not that climate science is wrong, it's that anthropogenic theories for global warming can now be seen from space.

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#7 2011-08-20 00:51:09

Alien invasion tied to climate change.  Liberals are secretly in league with aliens to destroy our planet to cover up the fact the climate change is just a socialist plot ...  coming up next on Fox.

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#8 2011-08-20 12:54:01

I'm tired of the doomsday theatrics, the earth doesn't give a fuck about what we do; mother-fuckers keep trying to push a political agenda based on horribly incomplete data.  You really want to fix the problem - Re-Forest America.

One decent volcano and we're back to mini-ice age.

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#9 2011-08-21 01:27:42

Emmeran wrote:

I'm tired of the doomsday theatrics, the earth doesn't give a fuck about what we do; mother-fuckers keep trying to push a political agenda based on horribly incomplete data.  You really want to fix the problem - Re-Forest America.

One decent volcano and we're back to mini-ice age.

Thank you for that.  I love seeing the climate change doomsday scenarios through the last half century.  One day we're all going to freeze to death, the next we're going to burn up.  Another thing that is always ignored is that the world changes regardless of what humans do.  One thing that always struck me in my fossil hunting days is how I was digging up palm fronds from 60 some million years ago in a part of the world that is frozen six months out of the year.  The world changes and life adapts, even if humans affected it, who cares, humans are just as much a part of nature as anything else.

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#10 2011-08-21 01:42:18

Dirckman wrote:

Emmeran wrote:

I'm tired of the doomsday theatrics, the earth doesn't give a fuck about what we do; mother-fuckers keep trying to push a political agenda based on horribly incomplete data.  You really want to fix the problem - Re-Forest America.

One decent volcano and we're back to mini-ice age.

Thank you for that.  I love seeing the climate change doomsday scenarios through the last half century.  One day we're all going to freeze to death, the next we're going to burn up.  Another thing that is always ignored is that the world changes regardless of what humans do.  One thing that always struck me in my fossil hunting days is how I was digging up palm fronds from 60 some million years ago in a part of the world that is frozen six months out of the year.  The world changes and life adapts, even if humans affected it, who cares, humans are just as much a part of nature as anything else.

Remember, one of the reasons environmental regulations got started was the prevalence of things like rivers catching fire. There's no point in not figuring the situation out exactly and making a few plans, and even enforcing some of them.  A certain amount of regulation is a good thing.

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#11 2011-08-21 15:42:09

- Climate change *IS* happening.  There's lots of evidence in favour and none against.  There is a small amount of loud bullshit promulgated by the tea party and a few Kat-style crazies, but the evidence seems to lend itself pretty clearly in the direction of climate change.
- People seem to be a major influence on that climate change.  There's lots of evidence to support that.  The evidence gets fuzzier on whether or not humans are the primary cause, but it is absolutely clear that we at least make it worse than it has to be.
- Irrespective of any climate change, humans absolutely are polluting the atmosphere and water supply.  In the absence of all other climate-related issues, if we don't have clean air and water we are right royally fucked.

So it seems logical to me that measures taken to clean up the environment and reduce climate change are necessarily a good thing.  Reducing dependence on fossil fuels, for example, not only reduces our climate change impact, reduced the amount of just general pollution we put out, but it also reduces the requirement of western nations to invade oil producing nations and take their resources.  If there is a negative side to all that, I don't see it.  The R&D for new energy sources and improving technology will create jobs.  The reduced number of resource-based invasions will save money that can be spent on things like mental health care for Kathaksung.

If we don't something about it now when it's easy, we'll be forced to later when it's hard.

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#12 2011-08-21 16:28:11

peco wrote:

- Irrespective of any climate change, humans absolutely are polluting the atmosphere and water supply.

In all fairness, god did say that we could do what-ever we want with it. *

* That damned cannabis and opium a-side.  How in the fuck did that get here?

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#13 2011-08-21 21:57:44

Decadence wrote:

peco wrote:

- Irrespective of any climate change, humans absolutely are polluting the atmosphere and water supply.

In all fairness, god did say that we could do what-ever we want with it. *

* That damned cannabis and opium a-side.  How in the fuck did that get here?

That's one of many good arguments to toss religion out with the trash.

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#14 2011-08-21 23:25:58

peco wrote:

- Irrespective of any climate change, humans absolutely are polluting the atmosphere and water supply.  In the absence of all other climate-related issues, if we don't have clean air and water we are right royally fucked.

Every fucking living thing pollutes, it's a side-effect of existance.  Recently global averages have dropped, records have almost been broken, things aren't what you guys keep screaming at us.

Climate change has always happened, as the Greenland glaciers melt they are discovering old settlements; think about that and take your panic elsewhere.

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#15 2011-08-21 23:38:47

If there ARE anal probing aliens keeping an eye on us, and if they see us as a threat to their neighborhoods, it would make more sense for them to let us die from our own shit in our own ghetto rather than appropriate the money for a pre-emptive war to kill us.

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#16 2011-08-22 01:31:19

Wasn't this the plot for another bad Kneanu Reeves movie?

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#17 2011-08-22 07:55:04

Emmeran wrote:

Wasn't this the plot for another bad Kneanu Reeves movie?

No, that was quite real.  It happened just before the Big Icing.  But Emm, equating human pollution with the pollution caused by "every [other] living thing" just doesn't make sense.   We have the unique ability to fuck the planet up, and we are doing so in spades (no offense to spades). 

Since we are creatures of volition, quite unlike, say, a volcano, we could exercise our will in another way.  Oh, I suppose we should just wait to accumulate more data because it just isn't obvious enough just yet how the human chapter will end.

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#18 2011-08-22 11:49:32

Fled wrote:

Since we are creatures of volition, quite unlike, say, a volcano, we could exercise our will in another way.  Oh, I suppose we should just wait to accumulate more data because it just isn't obvious enough just yet how the human chapter will end.

I actually support the results of the effort just grow tired of the hysteria.  The data is far too subjective to be called fact but is popular enough that every scientific institution that desires funding will take at least a minimally supportive position towards the concept.

But the reality remains that my purchasing of a second hand 1998 Jeep Cherokee is far better for the environment than my neighbors new Nissan Leaf.  If nothing else just for the damage done to obtain the rare earth metals that car needed, to say nothing about the environmental impact of the fucking batteries or the construction and delivery.

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#19 2011-08-22 12:47:30

Emmeran wrote:

Fled wrote:

Since we are creatures of volition, quite unlike, say, a volcano, we could exercise our will in another way.  Oh, I suppose we should just wait to accumulate more data because it just isn't obvious enough just yet how the human chapter will end.

I actually support the results of the effort just grow tired of the hysteria.  The data is far too subjective to be called fact but is popular enough that every scientific institution that desires funding will take at least a minimally supportive position towards the concept.

But the reality remains that my purchasing of a second hand 1998 Jeep Cherokee is far better for the environment than my neighbors new Nissan Leaf.  If nothing else just for the damage done to obtain the rare earth metals that car needed, to say nothing about the environmental impact of the fucking batteries or the construction and delivery.

I generally will accept the view of the vast, and I mean vast, majority of climate scientists as to how the data should be interpreted.  That doesn't mean, however, that I go along with the panicked response of many others (generally not scientists). 

On the cars, I absolutely agree with you.  Mine is 11 years old and still rolling.

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#20 2011-08-22 17:07:40

I have been following this thread with amusement.  I certainly believe hysteria, political agenda, (and grant money) are driving the move to cripple our energy supply by declaring carbon dioxide the culprit.  Fled says,"....equating human pollution with the pollution caused by "every [other] living thing" just doesn't make sense."
But, of course it does Fled.  We're just part of the billions and billions of animals all exhaling CO2 with every breath.  Imagine how wonderfully cool the earth would be if we could just kill off all the earth's oxygen dependent fauna.

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#21 2011-08-22 17:40:56

Oh, my poor white brother.

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#22 2011-08-22 17:47:43

If you're out to get the honey

Don't go killing all the bees.

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#23 2011-08-22 18:22:11

phreddy wrote:

I have been following this thread with amusement.  I certainly believe hysteria, political agenda, (and grant money) are driving the move to cripple our energy supply by declaring carbon dioxide the culprit.  Fled says,"....equating human pollution with the pollution caused by "every [other] living thing" just doesn't make sense."
But, of course it does Fled.  We're just part of the billions and billions of animals all exhaling CO2 with every breath.  Imagine how wonderfully cool the earth would be if we could just kill off all the earth's oxygen dependent fauna.

Breathe? Add to that the gas trumpeting out of your ass along with your research. Then the CO2 from your car, central heat, your other car, the coal burners powering your AC and wide-screen Fox Machine, your business and the horse you rode in on.

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#24 2011-08-22 19:25:56

Tall Paul wrote:

Add to that the gas trumpeting out of your ass along with your research.

See, I knew there was a way to blame the Mexicans and other bean-based life forms.

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#25 2011-08-22 19:45:58

Emmeran wrote:

peco wrote:

- Irrespective of any climate change, humans absolutely are polluting the atmosphere and water supply.  In the absence of all other climate-related issues, if we don't have clean air and water we are right royally fucked.

Every fucking living thing pollutes, it's a side-effect of existance.  Recently global averages have dropped, records have almost been broken, things aren't what you guys keep screaming at us.

Climate change has always happened, as the Greenland glaciers melt they are discovering old settlements; think about that and take your panic elsewhere.

No panic here at all.  Just a light against the dumbassery.

Global averages have not dropped recently... global averages have been on a steady uptick for decades.  You can't look at it month over month - that's the trick that the deniers are using.

I defy you to produce a shred of evidence of what you are saying (hint, if it comes from the Tea Party, it's almost certainly a lie).

Yes, climate change has happened and will always happen.  No, there haven't been 6.5 billion humans pumping CO2 into the atmosphere before.  Denying that this is happening, that it's bad, and that likely humans are at least partially responsible is old-fashioned stupid.  It's like saying bad humours cause disease.

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#26 2011-08-22 20:39:02

True dat.

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#27 2011-08-22 21:49:11

Well said Peco.  The heat sinks... that cities produce.

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