Bullshit.

The dude is at best batshit crazy like Kathy, and isn't a fair representative of conservatives or conservative thought.  I don't think he's crazy though; I think he says crazy shit for fun and profit, especially profit!

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doesyourpussyhurt wrote:

whosasailorthen wrote:

As much as I may disagree with this guy on many levels, he has a point, no matter how badly it was stated. 

We really are becoming one-party country.  If you're Republican or 'conservative' you're basically fair game to be made a laughing stock by anyone at any time.  It's not about ideas or opinions anymore. There's no need to consider the right's opinons - they're not worth listening to.  You're either in lock-step with the left or you're an asshole.  Simple as that.

I seem to recall that Germany and the Soviet block went through a similar process.

I don't know where you live but I can tell you here in the mountains of NC (you know, the state that has politicians trying to create an official religion), the Right are the "normal" ones. I am the nutbar to be ignored. Gay, atheist, AND democrat? Where the fuck did THIS guy come from?

Yeah, Texas is the same way.  Don't even think about living in the smaller towns unless you are a Jebus worshipping zombie, with no idea about how much the Republicans are fucking you up the ass.

It isn't the 'disagreeing', Taint.   I'm perfectly fine with disagreement and debate.  But it's more than that.

The fact is that the media (apart from Fox News) basically leans pretty much left.  As such, so do all the TV programmes- dramas, comedy shows, movies and every other entertainment medium - and virtually every one vilifies anyone or any group that is seen as being on the right.  If a person admits they are Republican (God forbid) they are immediately fair game for making fun of.  Anyone who is on the right now knows not to reveal it at work or in your private life, since you will immediately be shunned and labelled. 

As I say... the left no longer debates policy or ideas... they simply make the other side into a laughing stock in whatever way they can, or else they make them look evil and nefarious.  Either way, they don't have to deal with the issues.

whosasailorthen wrote:

It isn't the 'disagreeing', Taint.   I'm perfectly fine with disagreement and debate.  But it's more than that.

The fact is that the media (apart from Fox News) basically leans pretty much left.  As such, so do all the TV programmes- dramas, comedy shows, movies and every other entertainment medium - and virtually every one vilifies anyone or any group that is seen as being on the right.  If a person admits they are Republican (God forbid) they are immediately fair game for making fun of.  Anyone who is on the right now knows not to reveal it at work or in your private life, since you will immediately be shunned and labelled. 

As I say... the left no longer debates policy or ideas... they simply make the other side into a laughing stock in whatever way they can, or else they make them look evil and nefarious.  Either way, they don't have to deal with the issues.

Of course they are a laughing stock.  Displays of ignorance and stupidity should always be treated as such.

As an actual Leftist, I find your assertions laughable.  So how left wing are those giant media corporations?  Hardly.  As someone who subscribed to the Daily Worker, and the Socialist News, your assertion is beyond silly and misinformed.  MSNBC is about as centrist as any of the News Corps gets.  If you think the press is leftist, and that Obama is as well, then perhaps you should get out more often.  Read the Guardian if you want a mainstream press that is ever so slightly to the left of centrist, otherwise, you have been raised in a vacuum. 

Repeat after me: There is no Left, left.

Thanks,
D

Dusty wrote:

Of course they are a laughing stock.  Displays of ignorance and stupidity should always be treated as such.

You just made Sailor's point.  How many times have I chided you and others for attacking the publication or reporter  of a fact or story rather than addressing the content of the story?  Ad hominem attacks against anyone espousing a conservative point of view is now the go to liberal tactic.

whosasailorthen wrote:

It isn't the 'disagreeing', Taint.   I'm perfectly fine with disagreement and debate.  But it's more than that.

The fact is that the media (apart from Fox News) basically leans pretty much left.  As such, so do all the TV programmes- dramas, comedy shows, movies and every other entertainment medium - and virtually every one vilifies anyone or any group that is seen as being on the right.  If a person admits they are Republican (God forbid) they are immediately fair game for making fun of.  Anyone who is on the right now knows not to reveal it at work or in your private life, since you will immediately be shunned and labelled. 

As I say... the left no longer debates policy or ideas... they simply make the other side into a laughing stock in whatever way they can, or else they make them look evil and nefarious.  Either way, they don't have to deal with the issues.

Sailor, for how many decades were people afraid of being labeled a communist for expressing support for universal health care or equal rights for blacks? How many headlines in newspapers referred to "the Loony Left?"

When I was 19 or 20, I helped organize one of the first - if not the first - gay pride parade in Arkansas. One moment stands out for me, even to this day. As we gathered to begin the march, there was a flurry of discussion about who should be at the front of the parade. It was decided, much to my disappointment, that some gay Christian group should be there because quite a few were worried about appearing "respectable" to the thousands of people in the community who hated us regardless.

How many people have been cowed into submission or into at least tempering their feelings and beliefs in fear of outraging religious bigots, all in order to please a some nonexistent deity? How many people have died at the hands of religious extremists? How often do you hear members of the Right loudly question the loyalty and patriotism of those who disagree with them?

What you're seeing is people opposed to all that bullshit finally speaking out or, at the very least, refusing to buy into it. Why on earth should I take seriously arguments based on religious myths? Why should I be respectful of people who insist I don't have the right to equal treatment under the law? Hell, I don't even support marriage equality - because I don't believe any marriage should be a privileged status - but there are plenty of people who seem to believe I don't deserve it based entirely on the ramblings of Bronze Age prophets who didn't know what germs are and believed in demonic possession.

Really, Sailor? Many of those whose shit I have to listen to are laughing stocks. Intelligent, thoughtful small "C" conservatives are a dying breed. It's their brain dead counterparts - Michelle Bachmann, Rick Perry, Pat Robertson, et al - who have been dominating the argument for the Right's side. Why on earth should their arguments be given reasonable attention?

Taint wrote:

Hell, I don't even support marriage equality

Amusingly enough, Melon's cousin opened my eyes when he asked me what business the fucking government had being involved in marriage anyway.  Seriously - government involved in a intimacy contract between two (or more) consenting adults?   Can government get any bigger or more intrusive?

And so people claim government is too big up until they use it to intrude into someone else's life...

The sad truth is that there is no place in American politics for the Regular Joe. The guy who just wants to get up every day, go to a job that rewards him financially and mentally, raise his kids, go fishing and hang out with his friends on the weekend. Politicians know that those people, the "uninterested voter" are not to be trusted 100% to either party, or to vote at all, so they are largely ignored. What's the purpose of pouring time and money into communicating with them when you can't trust their vote?

So they aim to polarize and Balkanize the electorate. There are only two ways to get a citizen to vote for you and keep your "brand" alive: Make them love you or make them hate your opponent. Guess which of those is easier and cheaper.

So we see the division of everything in our lives into Choice A or Choice B without an option for None of the Above. But if you want to be Regular Joe, you have to ask for and get the None of the Above choice. There is a middle ground between proscribing something and subsidizing it, between making it illegal and making it required. I'm talking about marriage, guns, abortions, prayer in schools, the list goes on.

So when you hear a politician speaking or, better yet, when speaking to a politician (which can still be done, if you are the "right" kind of person), remember to reserve your right to None of the Above.