Good questions. 

Within minutes, Fox was already concluding it was a Russian missile fired by Ukrainian separatists.  Do they know something the rest of us do not?  They may be right, but then again it would probably be better to have some evidence to support the conclusion.  Fair and balanced and all.

Probably not, although I recall the Valuejet plane blowing apart due to exploding oxygen tanks. 

I still think some evidence is required before a "news" station reaches such a conclusion.

Fled wrote:

I still think some evidence is required before a "news" station reaches such a conclusion.

Maybe Fox News read the first sentence in the article a little closer than you did.  I heard the Fox report and they were also quoting the Ukrainian government's claim.

Reuters wrote:

A Malaysian airliner was shot down over eastern Ukraine by militants on Thursday, killing all 295 people aboard, a Ukrainian interior ministry official was quoted as saying by Interfax-Ukraine news agency.

phreddy wrote:

Fled wrote:

I still think some evidence is required before a "news" station reaches such a conclusion.

Maybe Fox News read the first sentence in the article a little closer than you did.  I heard the Fox report and they were also quoting the Ukrainian government's claim.

Reuters wrote:

A Malaysian airliner was shot down over eastern Ukraine by militants on Thursday, killing all 295 people aboard, a Ukrainian interior ministry official was quoted as saying by Interfax-Ukraine news agency.

I was commenting on Fox's coverage, not Reuters.  Emm is right, however.  Whether they jumped the gun or not is a minor issue in the scheme of things.  Several hornets nests have been hit with rocks, and unless we're lucky, we all may get stung.

fnord wrote:

The only good thing about this is, the conservatives in this country who all but publicly sucked Putin's dick can now be seen for the un-American traitors that they are!

What?  The conservatives sucked Putin's dick?  How soon you have forgotten that little hot mic conversation between Medvedev and Obama.  Maybe your liberal news sources neglected to report it to you.  Watch the video and tell me again who's sucking Putin's dick.

Mr Obama: "On all these issues, but particularly missile defence, this, this can be solved but it's important for him to give me space."

Mr Medvedev replies: "Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you …"

Mr Obama retorts: "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."

And Mr Medvedev finishes: "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir [Putin]."

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phreddy wrote:

I heard the Fox report and they were also quoting the Ukrainian government's claim.

Oh, well good!  Who in his right mind could dispute such a claim? You're right to believe Fox News blindly Phreddy, because after all if it was a legitimate missile attack, why the plane's body has a way to shut that whole thing down.

Aaaaaand, Israel/ Gaza below the radar in 3 -2-1...


Fuck the world.

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845. Another way to weaken the Euro (7/21/2014)

The energy supply of Europe is heavily dependent on Russia. About one third to 40% of its natural gas and oil are imported from Russia. One important gas pipe is inside Ukraine. If there is a turmoil in Ukraine, the gas supply to Europe will be affected. The economy of Europe would be weakened, so be the Euro. That’s why we saw an upheaval in Ukraine.

Ron Paul Defends Russia After Malaysian Plane Crash
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By Colin Campbell    Jul 21, 2014,

One of those unreported things, Paul claimed in his weekly "Texas Straight Talk" column, was the United States' own responsibility for destabilizing the region. Ukraine is currently embroiled in violent conflict between the Ukrainian government and the pro-Russian separatists.

"They will not report that the crisis in Ukraine started late last year, when EU and US-supported protesters plotted the overthrow of the elected Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych.

Without US-sponsored 'regime change,' it is unlikely that hundreds would have been killed in the unrest that followed. Nor would the Malaysian Airlines crash have happened," Paul wrote.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ron-paul- … 31466.html

Here EU used to be a follower of the US. I think the Europeans have sensed the coming danger the US will bring to them. German is a major power of EU. Recently, German has twice revealed two US spy cases and eventually expelled a CIA intelligence official. That’s unusual.

Germany Demands Top U.S. Intelligence Officer Be Expelled
Posted 10 July 2014 - 07:36 PM

BERLIN — Germany’s relations with the United States plunged to a low point Thursday, with the government demanding the expulsion of the chief American intelligence official stationed here because, it said, Washington has refused to cooperate with German inquiries into United States intelligence activities.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/11/world … .html?_r=1

I would say German has sensed (or with its state ability, having the intelligence) that US would sacrifice European’s economy by creating a crisis in Europe. It could be terror attack; or war. The deportation of US intelligence official is just a warning or protest of disagreement. Several days later, Malaysia airliner MH17 was down in Ukraine.

fortinbras wrote:

As MH17 moved into Ukrainian air space, it was moved approximately 300 miles north of its usual route - putting it on a new course, flying directly over a war zone – a dangerous area that’s hosted a number of downed military craft over the previous 3 weeks.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/mh17-verdi … ag/5393317

Puppet Ukraine censored the air traffic control recordings.

Kiev Censors MH17 Air Traffic Control Recordings
Security services confiscated tapes immediately after incident
by Paul Joseph Watson | July 22, 2014

Why has Kiev failed to release recordings from air traffic control tapes which could prove what happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight 17? Ukrainian security services confiscated the tapes immediately after the incident

http://www.infowars.com/kiev-censors-mh … ecordings/

The case is similar to the shooting down case of “KAL 007” 30 years ago. I talked about it at” 834. Small countries became sacrifice in US plots (5/23/2014)”

In 1983, a South Korea passenger airplane KAL 007 was shot down in Russia.

A few years ago, after former Soviet Union had collapsed, I came across with an analysis of that incident. The article said the Korean pilots couldn’t make such a big mistake to diverge the normal flight path. It alleged it was a plot that Pentagon used it to test air defense of Soviet Union. It was cold war time. I believe so. The original path was mostly over the ocean. The deviation track went over Kamchatka Peninsula. That is a big land. Pilots couldn’t miss it.

1983: Korean Air Lines Flight 007 Shot Down By Soviet Fighter Plane



http://www.politics.ie/forum/history/21 … plane.html

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848. The crashes of MH17 and MH370 serve for one purpose (8/8/2014)

US has locked two strategy enemies – Russia and China. Both are the threats to the dollar.

The tactic to deal with these two enemies is to weaken them by war.

China has conflicts with its neighbor countries. It has territory problem with Japan in East China Sea and with Vietnam and Philippine in South China Sea. China blames US standing at the side of these three countries. Malaysia has territory problem with China in South China Sea too but it keeps friendship with China. To push Malaysia to join the anti-China front in Asia, MH370 case was created. The mysterious disappearance of the passengers would create a long lasting demanding for the victims from China side because most victims were Chinese citizens. (That is why MH370 case was produced as a mysterious disappearance not an evident crash) Anyhow, China and Malaysia might have realized the plot and haven’t made it a crisis.

The Ukraine crisis started in February when a civil turmoil happened which caused the stepping down of pro-Russia President Yanukovych. The result is there is an upheaval in East Ukraine. Since Russia and Europe both have interest in Ukraine, a war between the two is easy to be ignited. The shooting down of MH17 was created as an ignition. MH17 was well selected – like MH370 – for its passengers. Most of victims in MH17 were Dutch. Holland is a major country of EU and NATO. If Holland is infuriated, the possibility of a covert war between EU and Russia in Ukraine is greatly increased.

I think US is the mastermind of the incidents of MH17 and MH370. The purpose is to push Russia and China into wars with their neighbor countries to weaken them.
See my analysis on MH370: from #822 to #835.
See my analysis on MH17: from #844 to #847.

I would hope that you know that the SU-25 Frogfoot is a Russian aircraft which shoots 30mm HE/HEI rounds from an external gun pod.  If you have ever paid even passing attention to the effects of a 30mm HE round you would understand that those images you found are completely unrelated to a gun run and are more apt to be shrapnel from an expanding rod warhead such as is used in the BUK missile system (as well as the AIM-7/AIM-9 systems).

Those fragmentation patterns are very telling in regards to the weapon system used to destroy the aircraft, do your technical research before you do your conspiracy theory write up.

Dutch Intellectuals Apologize to Putin for Lies on MH17, Syria, Ukraine...
Wednesday, 27 August 2014
A letter sent by a prominent Dutch Professor to Russian president Vladimir Putin has attracted much media attention in Europe.  The letter was written by Professor Cees Hamelink and signed by dozens of Dutch intellectuals and professors. Below is the letter in its entirety.



Dear Mr. President Putin,

Please accept our apologies on behalf of a great many people here in the Netherlands for our Government and our Media. The facts concerning MH17 are twisted to defame you and your country.

We are powerless onlookers, as we witness how the Western Nations, led by the United States, accuse Russia of crimes they commit themselves more than anybody else. We reject the double standards that are used for Russia and the West. In our societies, sufficient evidence is required for a conviction. The way you and your Nation are convicted for 'crimes' without evidence, is ruthless and despicable.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/25981/53/