#2 2015-10-08 08:21:00
I wish more companies would reexamine their management structure. I know my employer could use a cull. Nothing but a bunch of MBA ticket-punching, status-report-consolidating oxygen thieves.
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#3 2015-10-08 11:39:00
Seriously though, that sounds like a nightmare. Like something out of a shit fantasy novel where the self-annointed King changes the rules at his very whim while selling half of the company into the Amazon salt mines.
Maybe if the CEO got a life...
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#4 2015-10-09 12:39:45
Unless everybody in the company gets a bonus every year, get rid of everybody who gets a bonus. If there are any Middle Managers left, get rid of them too.
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#5 2015-10-09 13:34:46
Baywolfe wrote:
Unless everybody in the company gets a bonus every year, get rid of everybody who gets a bonus. If there are any Middle Managers left, get rid of them too.
So get rid of all of the NCO's and Staff NCO's and let the privates run the show? We call that letting the lunatics run the asylum. All the fancy concepts and high priced consultants aside management structure echo's human nature and has developed in a Darwinian manner. Keeping it effective and efficient is the constant challenge, eliminating entitlement is the hardest.
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#6 2015-10-09 14:03:06
In the corporate model, NCOs are represented by "Team Leaders". These are people who get paid the same as the line staff, but have additional responsibility with the dangled carrot of potential promotion in to Management. Senior NCOs would be the equivalent of front line managers. Middle managers would be roughly the same as 2nd Lieutenants on staff duty.
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#7 2015-10-09 14:13:02
Emmeran wrote:
Baywolfe wrote:
Unless everybody in the company gets a bonus every year, get rid of everybody who gets a bonus. If there are any Middle Managers left, get rid of them too.
So get rid of all of the NCO's and Staff NCO's and let the privates run the show? We call that letting the lunatics run the asylum. All the fancy concepts and high priced consultants aside management structure echo's human nature and has developed in a Darwinian manner. Keeping it effective and efficient is the constant challenge, eliminating entitlement is the hardest.
I'm guessing you know military structure but are completely clueless about corporate structure.
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#8 2015-10-09 18:44:09
Baywolfe wrote:
I'm guessing you know military structure but are completely clueless about corporate structure.
You're pretty much correct, I've only worked for two fortune 500's. Effective & efficient is the challenge and entitlement via tenure or education kills.
It's easier to find kooky ways around the problem that never really work than it is to spend an enormous amount of time & effort to actually lead and manage. It's hard work being a good middle manager, if you do your job correctly you really don't matter and everything runs smoothly, but if you fuck it up (standard procedure) then everything sucks. The managers job is to make everything run smoothly without them but to be there with ability, knowledge and leadership when everything goes all pear-shaped.
If you can send your manager on a six week untethered vacation than he/she is doing their job right and give that person a bonus, if you can't then fire that person.
And the French pilots definitely had the right idea regarding the way to treat institutional HR.
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#9 2015-10-11 11:26:09
The job you're describing is a Department Manager position. Their Manager, a Middle Manager is, effectively, someone who attends meetings all day with other Middle Managers and then tries to institute their dumbass ideas, plans, projects, etc. without any regard as to whether the company will see any Return On Investment. They have fancy titles of anything from "Director" to "VP of".
They're the ones that glean the big bonuses, with the Managers getting pittances, if anything.
They even started invading Information Technology about 15 years ago. Now, in any corporate IT Department, there are usually more "Project Managers" than there are people actually doing the work. I've sat in meetings with teams from Hewlett Packard and Texas Instruments where there were 15 management level people on their team, and me. When they would reference "my team" I would just smile and agree to whatever bullshit they were dishing.
FYI, I've worked for, or with (as a Consultant), Greyhound, EDI, the Tennessee Valley Authority, Blue Cross and Blue Shield of South Carolina, Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing (3M), The State of Texas, UPS, Consolidated Freightways, and about a hundred companies you've probably never heard of. As an EDI Consultant the last five years, I've done projects with hundreds more.
Middle Managers are a complete fucking waste of time and space.
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