#1 2016-03-24 00:58:18
Please pity these poor students who were traumatized when someone wrote “Trump 16” in chalk on their campus. Read this article originally from the AP and understand why I believe every American youth should be required to serve two years in military service to get a small taste of reality before joining the adult world. I especially love the school president’s psychobabble proposal to address this vile issue.
From the article:
The president of Emory University has spoken to demonstrators who said they were frightened after someone wrote 'Trump 2016' in chalk around campus.
Students at the Atlanta school, which has an enrollment of more than 14,000 claim their 'safe space' was violated when the messages appeared on sidewalks and buildings.
As a result student organizations offered counseling to anyone who may have been impacted by what they had seen.
Jim Wagner, president of the Atlanta university, wrote Tuesday that the students viewed the messages as intimidation, and they voiced 'genuine concern and pain' as a result. He proposed 'immediate refinements to certain policies and procedural deficiencies; regular and structured opportunities for difficult dialogues; a formal process to institutionalize identification, review and addressing of social justice opportunities and issues; and commitment to an annual retreat to renew [their] efforts.'
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#2 2016-03-24 02:20:45
I think 2 years of some sort of community service, etc. Luckily, my man child escaped this fuckwittery. He sees it, snorts and goes right through it.
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#3 2016-03-24 02:53:27
phreddy wrote:
Please pity these poor students who were traumatized when someone wrote “Trump 16” in chalk on their campus. Read this article originally from the AP and understand why I believe every American youth should be required to serve two years in military service to get a small taste of reality before joining the adult world.
You've suggested this before and I agree, sort of. Compulsory national service is essential, if only to prevent the prospect of looting and pillaging by unemployable, hormone addled kids. Our armed services will find most draftees unsuitable, though, never mind the predictable parental objections to signing away their precious snowflakes for canon fodder in 'our dirty little wars'. ["Your Flag Decal Won't Get You Into Heaven Anymore..."]
Lord knows there's more enough donkey work for them.
I tried to enlist in the Coast Guard in 1973, and for the first and last time, scored off the charts on the college entrance exam they gave, the happy after effects of a mushroom buzz. Never did learn what scuttled it but I made out alright.
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#4 2016-03-24 12:28:05
I'm very much on the fence here. While I admire Israel's policy on being drafted in the Army, and understand that one of the elements in the fall of Rome was when parents stopped saying, "Come back with your shield, or on it", I am also a grandfather that has one grandson in the military and about to have a second from a son and daughter-in-law that were both in the Army. Thankfully, both of them will be in the Air Force, but they were almost shoved into this "decision" as if they'd live in dumpsters if they didn't enlist.
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#5 2016-03-24 13:14:42
Fucking Emory. This kind of silly shit has been going on there for decades. Bunch of Ivy League wannabe fuckwads...
As for service, create a domestic version of the Peace Corp.
Staff homeless shelters & soup kitchens, cleanup roadsides, work in national parks, go play cards with old people, etc.
Compensation = room & board, some kind of non-military style uniform & equipment, plus something similar to GI Bill/College fund.
Make it completely voluntary. Because any kind of compulsory service ruins said service. Took nearly 20 years to flush out some of the garbage drafted during Vietnam.
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And to go full-Heinlein, make service, military, Peace Corp or Domestic Peace Corp a contingency for "full" citizenship.
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#6 2016-03-24 13:15:41
Mandatory 1 yr service - military, hospice care or litter collection & public clean up.
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#7 2016-03-24 13:46:52
God damn, not single nay sayer. Not sure I've ever seen this.
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#8 2016-03-24 14:14:49
choad wrote:
God damn, not single nay sayer. Not sure I've ever seen this.
Yeah, I thought I never would of ever, but... My son mid-twenties has been volunteering since HS, is now working with a city wide project into its 50th year called "Outdoor School', which teaches natural science, etc. for a week with 6th graders out in the Mr. Hood region. He makes minimum wage, and loses out on more lucrative work in his profession, but believes he owes society something. He is up and working 6:30AM to sometime 12:00AM. on call 24/5. He makes an impact, gets letters of appreciation all of the time for the work he does.
Roosevelt was on to something with his programs, and I think doing something for the community at large removes a huge ego dump. All the little fuckers going to Vassar, Harvard etc. would do a bit better in life after changing adult nappies at the working class Adult/Alzheimer day care centers for a couple of years...
Seriously, why not guarantee college tuition/trade school paid for in kind work done between 18 & 22 years old? It would solve a bunch of problems.
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#9 2016-03-24 14:21:35
Dmtdust wrote:
Seriously, why not guarantee college tuition/trade school paid for in kind work done between 18 & 22 years old? It would solve a bunch of problems.
I had a great life as a young Marine: Three hots, a cot and a few bucks in my pocket. If I blew my cash on beer Friday night I still had all I need to survive until the next payday.
If we are going with the free jr. college thing, which I support, I reckon it should be part of it even if it is just trash detail 4 hours a day/5 days a week (or some such).
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#10 2016-03-24 15:22:06
choad wrote:
God damn, not single nay sayer. Not sure I've ever seen this.
Socialism doesn't have to be all encompassing, and it works better if it's completely voluntary.
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#11 2016-03-24 16:52:51
XregnaR wrote:
choad wrote:
God damn, not single nay sayer. Not sure I've ever seen this.
Socialism doesn't have to be all encompassing, and it works better if it's completely voluntary.
Yes and no. For anyone's whose family is making over a certain amount, latrine duty should be a prerequisite. All Senators & Congressmans/womans chillin' should have to serve combat duty in the front lines in all conflicts.
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#12 2016-03-24 16:58:32
Yeah, I'm also all for mandatory service... indeed, I think you should have to serve before you can vote.
But.
Here's the rub.
If these workers do *anything* that a company or, worse yet, a union could be doing you'll have enough lawsuits to keep you busy for the next 10 years. That's why prisons don't make license plates anymore.
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#13 2016-03-24 17:14:59
whosasailorthen wrote:
If these workers do *anything* that a company
Valid point which leads to the discussion about the proper mix of capitalism and socialism in America. None of us want to go to to "Pay for protection" fire and policing schemes nor do we want our prisons bidding on manual labor construction jobs.
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#14 2016-03-24 17:43:43
Even the lefties are rolling their eyes: http://wonkette.com/599987/emory-univer … lus-ungood
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#15 2016-03-24 17:52:45
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#17 2016-03-24 21:19:58
It's all the fault of the RNC. Who else has worked so hard to ensure that Americans live in a permanent state of fear?
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#18 2016-03-24 21:28:24
phreddy wrote:
I believe every American youth should be required to serve two years in military service to get a small taste of reality before joining the adult world.
I would like to join Phreddy in endorsing Franklin D. Roosevelt's vision of mandatory National Service for all teenagers.
We have potholes to fill, bridges to rebuild, trails to maintain. Kids need to be educated, seniors need to be cleaned, powdered and rediapered, animals need to be fed and walked. Just don't put any of the Bush brothers in charge, especially not Neil.
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#19 2016-03-25 00:11:34
Tall Paul wrote:
....We have potholes to fill, bridges to rebuild, trails to maintain. Kids need to be educated, seniors need to be cleaned, powdered and rediapered, animals need to be fed and walked.
..and all of those things would bring a government entity in conflict with private enterprise, effectively taking bread out of mouths of the workers... and that, alone, would be the downfall of the programme.
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#20 2016-03-25 02:02:00
whosasailorthen wrote:
Tall Paul wrote:
....We have potholes to fill, bridges to rebuild, trails to maintain. Kids need to be educated, seniors need to be cleaned, powdered and rediapered, animals need to be fed and walked.
..and all of those things would bring a government entity in conflict with private enterprise, effectively taking bread out of mouths of the workers... and that, alone, would be the downfall of the programme.
I can name at least one city where no one is filling potholes, so no one will be in conflict.
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#21 2016-03-25 06:00:05
Tall Paul wrote:
It's all the fault of the RNC. Who else has worked so hard to ensure that Americans live in a permanent state of fear?
The military-financial-industrial complex knows no party lines.
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#22 2016-03-25 08:01:21
Emmeran wrote:
Tall Paul wrote:
It's all the fault of the RNC. Who else has worked so hard to ensure that Americans live in a permanent state of fear?
The military-financial-industrial complex knows no party lines.
Indeed, they own both major parties.
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#23 2016-03-25 08:20:49
Aude wrote:
Emmeran wrote:
Tall Paul wrote:
It's all the fault of the RNC. Who else has worked so hard to ensure that Americans live in a permanent state of fear?
The military-financial-industrial complex knows no party lines.
Indeed, they own both major parties.
True, but one party is more geared toward manufacture and stockpiling.The other is geared toward manufacture and expend it all and manufacture more, at least as far as small arms are concerned. They also seem to get more kick-backs from the trauma medicine and prosthetics branch of the MIC.
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#24 2016-03-25 11:43:49
Emmeran wrote:
nor do we want our prisons bidding on manual labor construction jobs.
Fucking Andy Dufresne ruined it for everybody!
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#25 2016-03-25 12:41:24
Tall Paul wrote:
True, but one party is more geared toward manufacture and stockpiling.The other is geared toward manufacture and expend it all and manufacture more, at least as far as small arms are concerned. They also seem to get more kick-backs from the trauma medicine and prosthetics branch of the MIC.
That's like a teenager arguing that Dad is one way and Mom the other without fully realizing that their parents talk it all over and plan out their responses and actions.
I am disappointed in you Tall One for not getting that Conservative/Liberal is actually Good Cop/Bad Cop; different angles presented in coordinated fashion to accomplish the same united goal. These guy's vacation together for fuck's sake! When was the last time you vacationed with this guy from work and his family?
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#26 2016-03-25 18:47:46
Emmeran wrote:
Tall Paul wrote:
True, but one party is more geared toward manufacture and stockpiling.The other is geared toward manufacture and expend it all and manufacture more, at least as far as small arms are concerned. They also seem to get more kick-backs from the trauma medicine and prosthetics branch of the MIC.
That's like a teenager arguing that Dad is one way and Mom the other without fully realizing that their parents talk it all over and plan out their responses and actions.
I am disappointed in you Tall One for not getting that Conservative/Liberal is actually Good Cop/Bad Cop; different angles presented in coordinated fashion to accomplish the same united goal. These guy's vacation together for fuck's sake! When was the last time you vacationed with this guy from work and his family?
There are differences in ideologies. The left doesn't think that poor people are getting a sweet ride or that they should fuck the middle class to benefit the wealthy and corporations. I shudder to think what my taxes would have been the last four years like under Mitt Romney.
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#27 2016-03-25 20:27:10
Emmeran wrote:
Tall Paul wrote:
True, but one party is more geared toward manufacture and stockpiling.The other is geared toward manufacture and expend it all and manufacture more, at least as far as small arms are concerned. They also seem to get more kick-backs from the trauma medicine and prosthetics branch of the MIC.
That's like a teenager arguing that Dad is one way and Mom the other without fully realizing that their parents talk it all over and plan out their responses and actions.
I am disappointed in you Tall One for not getting that Conservative/Liberal is actually Good Cop/Bad Cop; different angles presented in coordinated fashion to accomplish the same united goal. These guy's vacation together for fuck's sake! When was the last time you vacationed with this guy from work and his family?
Oh, I get that alright. I just feel that if you have to deal with the cops at all you might as well pick the good one. And most evidence to the contrary there are honest cops.
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#28 2016-03-26 04:43:30
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#29 2016-03-27 01:47:08
Emmeran wrote:
Tall Paul wrote:
True, but one party is more geared toward manufacture and stockpiling.The other is geared toward manufacture and expend it all and manufacture more, at least as far as small arms are concerned. They also seem to get more kick-backs from the trauma medicine and prosthetics branch of the MIC.
That's like a teenager arguing that Dad is one way and Mom the other without fully realizing that their parents talk it all over and plan out their responses and actions.
I am disappointed in you Tall One for not getting that Conservative/Liberal is actually Good Cop/Bad Cop; different angles presented in coordinated fashion to accomplish the same united goal. These guy's vacation together for fuck's sake! When was the last time you vacationed with this guy from work and his family?
Correct. What it all comes down to is that both parties function as little more than clearing houses for bribes. In return for all that money, they stage the worlds biggest and longest running Punch and Judy show to give the illusion that actual meaningful debate between opposing sides is part of the governing and legislative process. This reaps huge returns for their corporate/banking "investors."
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#30 2016-03-27 01:52:15
Tall Paul wrote:
Oh, I get that alright. I just feel that if you have to deal with the cops at all you might as well pick the good one. And most evidence to the contrary there are honest cops.
Fine. But what if you haven't committed any crime in the first place?
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#31 2016-03-27 19:16:43
Aude wrote:
Tall Paul wrote:
Oh, I get that alright. I just feel that if you have to deal with the cops at all you might as well pick the good one. And most evidence to the contrary there are honest cops.
Fine. But what if you haven't committed any crime in the first place?
That's not for you to say. Only the judge can say if you have or not.
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