#1 2008-01-21 11:58:22
In my line of work, sometimes people don't like you. After several general and one specific threat, I decided it was time to obtain a permit to carry a concealed firearm on my person. So I found a class locally and signed up.
Carrying a concealed weapon is a lot of responsibility, and appropriately much of the first night's instruction was dedicated to delineating when one is justified in using deadly force in defending his or her self, or in the defense of another.
This was presented by way of a DVD video just slightly less plodding than a filmstrip. Having a juris doctorate and being licensed to practice law in two separate jurisdictions, I'm quite well versed as to when one is legally justified in using deadly force. Citing this fact, I asked for a pass on the filmstrip. "Nope. Huh-uh. Nevada r e q u i r e s this education and training and I c a n n o t sign your sheet if you don't watch it." I wondered whether he could sign his name under any circumstances. He made it a big point to emphasize "requires" and "cannot." I made it a big point to imagine him blowing his own brains out in slow motion.
Great. So now the class knows I'm Mr. Lawyer-Know-It-All-Fuck.
I'm not saying the shoe doesn't fit.
The DVD continued on. Sometimes I was very interested:
ACTRESS: I have a gun! Get out of my house!
ACTOR: Take it easy, lady I accidentally walked into the wrong house!
ME: PULL THE MOTHERFUCKING TRIGGER! KILL!
and when I wasn't able to pay attention,
I drew a sketch of Belinda Carlisle battling an orangutan.
When the class first began, the instructor required each student to introduce his or her self and offer us all a nugget of why they desire to carry concealed weapons. Few were able to articulate specific reasons beyond a combination of (1) it's dangerous out there and (2) it's kinda cool, which is fine. "I want one because I want one," is a fine justification.
Looking down the row at introductions to come, I began getting excited because I just couldn't wait to hear what Ol' Yokel would have to say. Ol' Yokel was perhaps in his mid-to-late 30s, Lincoln-esque in his proportions. His eyes were so close together that he would later confess to being vision dominant in "both" eyes.
Sure enough, Ol' Yokel hit one out of the park: "I want my concealed carry permit because it's my constitutional right to have it."
Perfect. His misstatement of the law aside, let's explore that logic:
"I have abortions because it's my constitutional right to have them."
Ahhhh. That IS a satisfying justification. I know this because I just put a stuffed animal up my shirt and used a drain rooter to perform my own pseudobortion.
It sure was fun.
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#2 2008-01-21 12:08:38
What the fuck? Anybody? Anybody?
Do you live in your parents basement?
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#3 2008-01-21 12:42:43
I want to know where Lurker is. Lurking again and pretending not to be checking in on the site?
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#4 2008-01-21 13:32:10
I want to hear the rest.
I've been mildly interested in obtaining a CC permit myself--not for any practical reason; more because I'm Mr. Yokel's kindred spirit, and also because I have a suspicion that it might be a lot harder to do in the future (perhaps impossible)...Do you have to pass a shootin' test?
Oh, and what's so terrible about having an abortion just because you feel like having one? I can have an abortion any time I want! It's my right! Are you some kind of sexist?
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#5 2008-01-21 15:41:36
Bigcat wrote:
What the fuck? Anybody? Anybody?
Do you live in your parents basement?
Bigcat, chill out. This dude here has some genius writing qualities. Go read the rant on politics he wrote earlier (That I copied and pasted from CL). I'm not sure he always has a cruel link, but his writing is enjoyable enough.
There's room here for everyone at the table, even Fnord!
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#6 2008-01-21 15:42:45
You know what sucks. You can't get a CC in MD unless you have some sort of legal reason for it (ie: a restraining order). WTF is that shit all about???
Goddamn democratic shithole state.
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#7 2008-01-21 17:38:27
My best friend has a CCW license. My read on it is carrying is a big pain in the ass. There are laws about how far from a school you have to remain. Forget that when you go to pick up your kid and you could get in big trouble. Any time you go someplace where concealed weapons are not allowed you have to either plan in advance to not bring it with you or you end up having to go back to your car and stow it in the trunk (hoping that nobody who might be willing to break into a car to steal a gun sees you doing it). Texas is fairly reasonable about CCW licenses but any store or business you walk up to may have a sign sipulating that you can't enter if you are carrying. It's kind of a pain to go someplace like a large mall, park your car and walk up to the enterance only to see you have to turn around and leave because they have a sign at the entrance barring guns.
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#8 2008-01-21 17:41:04
Roger_That wrote:
Bigcat wrote:
What the fuck? Anybody? Anybody?
Do you live in your parents basement?Bigcat, chill out. This dude here has some genius writing qualities. Go read the rant on politics he wrote earlier (That I copied and pasted from CL). I'm not sure he always has a cruel link, but his writing is enjoyable enough.
There's room here for everyone at the table, even Fnord!
Wow RT when did you develop compassion and feelings for your fellow beings?
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#9 2008-01-21 18:06:51
Roger_That wrote:
You know what sucks. You can't get a CC in MD unless you have some sort of legal reason for it (ie: a restraining order). WTF is that shit all about???
Goddamn democratic shithole state.
A friend of mine is planning to move there, but he's going to get his CC in Virginia first, because apparently you can transfer a CC from another state a lot easier than get one in MD.
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#10 2008-01-21 18:48:41
Well, that could be a miinor hurdle RT. You are just going to have to piss someone off enough so that you can get a restraining order.
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#11 2008-01-22 07:09:56
Taint wrote:
I want to know where Lurker is. Lurking again and pretending not to be checking in on the site?
I'm still here Taint...hasn't KTB figured out that this is not a blog?
We all have RT to thank.....
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#12 2008-01-22 08:07:36
Johnny Rotten wrote:
Well, that could be a miinor hurdle RT. You are just going to have to piss someone off enough so that you can get a restraining order.
Heh. Good point. This shouldn't be too hard to do...
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#13 2008-01-22 08:08:45
Lurker wrote:
Taint wrote:
I want to know where Lurker is. Lurking again and pretending not to be checking in on the site?
I'm still here Taint...hasn't KTB figured out that this is not a blog?
We all have RT to thank.....
Give him a chance, Lurker. Who knows, you could be right. But it's not like there are tons of fresh meat contributions around these heyah parts.
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#14 2008-01-22 08:23:19
Roger_That wrote:
Lurker wrote:
Taint wrote:
I want to know where Lurker is. Lurking again and pretending not to be checking in on the site?
I'm still here Taint...hasn't KTB figured out that this is not a blog?
We all have RT to thank.....Give him a chance, Lurker. Who knows, you could be right. But it's not like there are tons of fresh meat contributions around these heyah parts.
True, but maybe he could at least throw in a link somewhere in his observations.....like his sketch of Ms. Carlisle battling an ape...
His piece brought to mind an amusing phrase...
"Silly wiggas,
triggas is fo' niggas.....
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#15 2008-01-22 12:04:46
Roger_That wrote:
You know what sucks. You can't get a CC in MD unless you have some sort of legal reason for it (ie: a restraining order). WTF is that shit all about???
Goddamn democratic shithole state.
Donate a couple of hundred thousand smakaroos to the local politicos and you can have one too. Even a restraining order won't get you one. Just cold hard cash in a smokey back room.
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#16 2008-01-22 12:08:40
Why carry? Because we can. Why now? Because it probably wont get any easier. Is it a pain to carry? Yup. Way too much trouble to bother defending yourself and others the 0.00001% of the time you need to. And while business can turn you away, look around and see how many of those signs you see.
Too bad Mr. Badass Lawyer-man is waaay to bored to be bothered with the 15 minute filmstrip. I'm sure he slept through the mandatory drunk driving videos in his high school class, too.
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#17 2008-01-22 12:50:42
Roger_That wrote:
You know what sucks. You can't get a CC in MD unless you have some sort of legal reason for it (ie: a restraining order). WTF is that shit all about???
Goddamn democratic shithole state.
Hopefully the Supreme Court will sort this out soon. They have agreed to hear a case, but could chicken shit out and apply the decision too narrowly to cover this problem. We either have a right to keep and bear arms or not. We need a straight forward decision that will also prevent leftist pols from allowing you bear arms but not bullets.
When I applied for my CWP my reason was "to comply with the law".
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#18 2008-01-22 13:29:14
GooberMcNutly wrote:
And while business can turn you away, look around and see how many of those signs you see.
Quite a few actually here in the Dallas area. I see them all the time. People who don't carry or aren't looking for them probably don't notice them as much. Wouldn't have mentioned it if it wasn't a significant factor.
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#19 2008-01-22 14:49:56
phreddy wrote:
Roger_That wrote:
You know what sucks. You can't get a CC in MD unless you have some sort of legal reason for it (ie: a restraining order). WTF is that shit all about???
Goddamn democratic shithole state.Hopefully the Supreme Court will sort this out soon. They have agreed to hear a case, but could chicken shit out and apply the decision too narrowly to cover this problem. We either have a right to keep and bear arms or not. We need a straight forward decision that will also prevent leftist pols from allowing you bear arms but not bullets.
When I applied for my CWP my reason was "to comply with the law".
Yes, I agree. I think it is a violation of my 2nd Amendment rights. It pisses me off.
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#20 2008-01-22 15:01:36
I found it easier to move far away from the minority thugs, thieves, and looters. Crime is rare in my lily white undisclosed location.
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#21 2008-01-22 16:07:02
Zookeeper wrote:
GooberMcNutly wrote:
And while business can turn you away, look around and see how many of those signs you see.
Quite a few actually here in the Dallas area. I see them all the time. People who don't carry or aren't looking for them probably don't notice them as much. Wouldn't have mentioned it if it wasn't a significant factor.
While I support the right for responsible cc, if I owned a retail business there is no way I would allow it on the premisses. The rubber would meet the road between the theory and my actual faith in the public at large being responsible (let alone sane ) enough to wield weapons within range of my liability insurance.
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#22 2008-01-22 17:34:30
fnord wrote:
I found it easier to move far away from the minority thugs, thieves, and looters. Crime is rare in my lily white undisclosed location.
Were it not for the occasional twister I'm sure it's your trailor park would be heaven on earth.
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#23 2008-01-22 17:36:14
Johnny Rotten wrote:
Zookeeper wrote:
GooberMcNutly wrote:
And while business can turn you away, look around and see how many of those signs you see.
Quite a few actually here in the Dallas area. I see them all the time. People who don't carry or aren't looking for them probably don't notice them as much. Wouldn't have mentioned it if it wasn't a significant factor.
While I support the right for responsible cc, if I owned a retail business there is no way I would allow it on the premisses. The rubber would meet the road between the theory and my actual faith in the public at large being responsible (let alone sane ) enough to wield weapons within range of my liability insurance.
Then there's the question of how wise it is to hang a sign on the front of your business announcing to any would-be robbers "All my customers are unarmed - shoot me and you are good to go."
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