Sounds like it's narrated by Alec Baldwin........  Anyhow, being raised around agriculture my entire life and having a vested interest in agriculture this whole video is B.S. and doesn't give an accurate depiction of what really happens...  I can't speak for the chicken and pork industries, but when it comes to cattle they are extremely off base and I'm sick of these worthless fucking pinko motherfuckers putting out a smear campaign on what is what I feel to be one of the most valuable occupations to the survival of man.....   I admit there are a few irresponsible people out there, but for the most part people raising cattle are extremely humane and do whatever it takes for the health and welfare of their cattle....  Fuck these worthless liberal motherfuckers who accuse otherwise.....  Look for the polital agenda here folks.....

Last edited by Dirckman (2008-02-05 01:18:43)

Preach it, Dirck!

Dad's cows in Undisclosed Location, TN.

Last edited by jesusluvspegging (2008-02-05 02:03:02)

Pretty looking country.  A tad on the flat side, though. 

'course, I'd imagine that makes the cattle business a bit more practical, in ways.

What I really love about the family ranch is that our nearest neighbor is over fifteen miles away.....   I grew up driving around pickup trucks on gravel roads with my dog Digger.......  I got more satisfaction out of that than I have gotten since then visiting three other countries and almost every major city in the U.S.....

Last edited by Dirckman (2008-02-05 02:31:54)

We just got over a ten year drought last year......  We finally have grass again and things are looking up... We're currently running 115 cows on 24,600 acres which keeps us from overgrazing.... Our neighbor didn't have it so easy and he had too many cows for the land he had.....  He tried selling his cows and didn't have any buyers, so he went out and shot all of his cows then shot himself.....   It's kind of sad that he wasn't able to just wait one year for things to look up again....  People don't seem to realize how difficult of a lifestyle ranching is and they really take it for granted.....  It would be nice if America could live off of tofu and Starbuck's coffee, but that's not reality....

That is really some beautiful country in the picture you posted of your dad's property in TN......  I recently read a book titled Guns, Germs and Steel and it really gave me a far greater respect for agriculture and what it meant to the history of human development....   After reading that book I no longer feel embarrassed about being a hick....  Anyhow, I'm drunk off of my ass and I need sleep...

jesusluvspegging wrote:

Ah.  we have 40 head on 160 acres, and part of that is wooded and therefore worthless for grazing (you can get some decent timber off it, though, which is useful in the short term).... This land has been passed down in my family since the government took it from the Indians.

Umm... took it from my family, to be more exact... my people were among the Cherokee that had their land taken, and you're right, it was beautiful.

Having said that, I do agree with you re ranching and animal husbandry in America... it's far more humane than the radicals will lead you to believe.  I grew up on a farm in West TN (Gibson Co.) and it was beautiful... somewhere I've got movies of me at the age of 3 playing with piglets... they were jumping all over me like puppies.  Nice memories.

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Dirckman wrote:

Sounds like it's narrated by Alec Baldwin...Fuck these worthless liberal motherfuckers who accuse otherwise.....  Look for the political agenda here folks.....

Hey, now, as a progressive, I must take exception to your characterization of PETA as a liberal organization.  They're not liberals, they're douchebags who aspire to fascism (the absence of liberty, from the same Latin root as liberal.)
Let's face facts here:  our digestive tract is not fit for an exclusively vegetarian diet.  Meat is a much more efficient (and tasty!) way to get the proteins we need!  I suppose PETA would be much happier with feral cattle, swine, and chickens roaming the landscape, landscape now covered with monoculture agriculture courtesy of ADM to meet our needs for plant-based food.  Oh, yeah, that's so much better.  Anyone for mid-1800's Ireland?  Anyone?

jesusluvspegging wrote:

...and, for my money, east TN in the fall kicks New England's fall colors down the goddamned stairs.

Driving down the Blue Ridge Parkway in the fall.

*Heaven*


(looks best when fully enlarged... but then don't we all, really?)

Last edited by whosasailorthen (2008-02-06 09:59:32)

jesusluvspegging wrote:

whosasailorthen wrote:

Umm... took it from my family, to be more exact... my people were among the Cherokee that had their land taken, and you're right, it was beautiful.

Well I guess your family should have evolved themselves a proper gun industry.  And some immunity to smallpox.

Or at least strong enough antibodys to beat back Paul Revere a spare us all a scourge

whiskytangofoxtrot wrote:

Let's face facts here:  our digestive tract is not fit for an exclusively vegetarian diet.  Meat is a much more efficient (and tasty!) way to get the proteins we need!  I suppose PETA would be much happier with feral cattle, swine, and chickens roaming the landscape, landscape now covered with monoculture agriculture courtesy of ADM to meet our needs for plant-based food.  Oh, yeah, that's so much better.  Anyone for mid-1800's Ireland?  Anyone?

Actually, in Great Britain/Ireland, by the mid 1800s they had solved most of the dietary problems and issues of unsightly roaming livestock by clearing the surplus population from the newly enclosed land, packing them off in ships and replacing them with much more economically productive wool sheep and turnips/legumes.

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“Are there no prisons?” asked Scrooge.

“Plenty of prisons,” said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.

“And the Union workhouses?” demanded Scrooge. “Are they still in operation?”

“They are. Still,” returned the gentleman, “I wish I could say they were not.”

“The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?” said Scrooge.

“Both very busy, sir.”

“Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,” said Scrooge. “I’m very glad to hear it.”

“Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,” returned the gentleman, “a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?”

“Nothing!” Scrooge replied.

“You wish to be anonymous?”

“I wish to be left alone,” said Scrooge. “Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don’t make merry myself at Christmas and I can’t afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned—they cost enough; and those who are badly off must go there.”

“Many can’t go there; and many would rather die.”

“If they would rather die,” said Scrooge, “they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

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jesusluvspegging wrote:

That one just went on the massive book list of massiveness.

Part of the Redundant Lists of Redundancy series.