Last edited by JetRx (2023-04-19 07:26:47)

It could not be more obvious that the 2nd Amendment was written for radically different times.  Out of 300,000,000+ people in the U.S., how many do you think have the sense and self-control to safely possess and use firearms?  Yet virtually all have been guaranteed a relatively unfettered right to own as many as they want.  And does anyone honestly believe that the founders would be content with the impact of the 2nd Amendment if they were to be here today?

You set your aspirations awfully low.  I note you did not respond to the questions posed but merely assert that the rate of violence is better today than it was before.  Keep in mind that the rates from earlier times generally include wars, mass killings of Native Americans, and other factors.  The rate may be lower or about equal depending on the source and time you are comparing, but the number of deaths is way up.

Last edited by Fled (2023-08-02 12:28:52)

Yes, let's blame the fact that there are one or more mass shootings (4 or more people) a day on the media.

That is part of it. "If it bleeds, it leads". Surely you have heard that, or read that. Let's talk as well about deteriorating mental health, lack of childcare, and other societal issues as well that dovetail with this. We can ignore the fact that gun deaths haven't even reached the height of the Crack Years/Reagan-Bush era, let alone the 70's.

Last edited by DmtDusty (2023-05-04 17:18:49)

BorderCount wrote:

DmtDusty wrote:

Yes, let's blame the fact that there are one or more mass shootings (4 or more people) a day on the media.

That is part of it. "If it bleeds, it leads". Surely you have heard that, or read that. Let's talk as well about deteriorating mental health, lack of childcare, and other societal issues as well that dovetail with this. We can ignore the fact that gun deaths haven't even reached the height of the Crack Years/Reagan-Bush era, let alone the 70's.

The problem is that "thoughts and prayers" isn't a solution.

Never said it was. As social inequity grows, so does violence. Look at New York in the 19th century for some hair raising examples. As the country spirals into oligarch land, we may indeed see more of this. Consider though, with over 400 million guns (that estimate may fall far short, up to a billion guns have been discussed...) with that much armament, if guns themselves, inanimate as they are were the problem, why isn't the death toll not higher? It follows that it should be. The truth of the matter is 99.999 percent of gun owners are not the problem.

There is always a tendency to oversimplify. There is so many ways things could be fixed, but that would challenge both parties, and the public at large. That is not saying things should remain as they are but acknowledging that there will be difficulties in surmounting blowback.

Just Re Guns: Instituting background checks nationally is a very reasonable thing to do. BGC's in place in most states but vary. Uniformity might be a thing (well it is a thing). The Feds fell down with such people as Dylan Roof, and I cannot remember his name, the ex-service guy, who was booted from the Air Force for domestic violence? (it has been awhile).

I believe firearm training for anyone who purchases a gun is reasonable. I think classes in school for firearm safety, and showing the graphic details of mishaps would go far to de-romanticize the whole ball of wax.

Baywolfe wrote:

We could be like Israel.  Everybody goes in the Army, everybody shoots (and cleans, and loads) guns.

It certainly could demystify the whole ball of wax.

I think national service, whether in military, healthcare, parks etc. would build a more cohesive society, looking back at the ccc and other organizations. Especially with financing for school afterwards, to college, tech, construction etc.

DmtDusty wrote:

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First of all, NO ONE IS PROPOSING GOING DOOR-TO-DOOR TO CONFISCATE GUNS.

Secondly:

"Hello, ma'am. Because a drunk driver you don't know killed 10 people on the interstate, we require anyone who wants to drive a car to take special classes about driving a car and be aware of the dangers of drunk driving. Also, you're required to register your car with the state, make sure it is properly maintained, and carry insurance on it."

https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinoi … 3a50e.html

One of the easiest methods is to limit the manufacture (or import) of new weapons to Single Action only. 

This simply means each round must be individually placed into firing position and the weapon cannot auto-cock.

New weapons being the key word in that sentence.

I would also like to see registration and insurance be required, kinda like the car thing.

Last edited by Emmeran (2023-05-12 14:12:39)

Emmeran wrote:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State"

Serve or GTFO!

Last edited by JetRx (2023-06-23 01:39:37)

In the GOP world, not everyone should be able to vote, but everyone should be able to buy a gun.

Worth a look. A liberal case for gun ownership... I promise not to flog this monkey all the time. Really. Please believe me!
https://unherd.com/2021/11/the-liberal- … nership-1/

Baywolfe wrote:

This individual was not worthy to own a gun.

Also, 1312.

Wow. That was... something.

Hey, The ACLU covers groups they don't necessarily agree with...