#1 2008-05-31 02:52:10
I'm off topic and off thread and out of character for a second. I have an idea and I would like to hear opinions of its merit. I thought I might throw it here since the starting point of the idea was a brief period of attempting a conversation with Sofaking through youtube postings (wasn't much of a conversation, granted but a small attempt was made.)
I write sometimes, just weird little science fiction short stories and outlines for larger works that I never really get started with. I'm not all that great a writer, I just like playing with the words and the ideas for my own fun. While chatting with someone this eve I had the damning realization that I have more honest and serious conversations with people in IM than when I am in the big room. So I came up with this small starting point for a story:
Characters:
Hero 29/M/Mountain View
Princess 28/F/Emeryville
Foil 29/F/Santa Cruz
Dude 32/M/San Jose
Foil and Hero have known each other since High School, while both lived in Lawrence. Foil went to UC Davis where she met Princess, they knew each other from the edges of their social circle, were friendly, but not really friends. Hero went to San Francisco State. Foil and he would hook up on breaks but nothing came of it, both dating other people but along the years reestablished a friendship. They do not see each other often due to distance, but IM chat nearly every day, having small conversations while working throughout the day.
Princess and Hero have begun dating. The thing is still in it's infancy, but the attraction in very much there. They see each other a few times a week, staying over at one or the other's place once or twice on the weekends. They also chat off and on throughout the day, but not at all like the all day long conversations of Hero and Foil. Princess and Foil have different sets of friends, Hero has a small number of close friends while Princess has a larger set of friends and acquaintances. There is some overlap but only at the edges (like Foil), neither share any close friends. They are still figuring out about the other and are wondering what the next steps in their relationship will be.
Dude is a dude. Dude is one of Hero's older guy friends, who he used to work with. Not really of the same social circle as Hero, they get together and do dude stuff and have dude conversations. He will often provide comic relief and counterpoint.
The thrust of the story will be about the bullshit exaggerations and cowardice that doom relationships. It will also be about how mediating technology allows people to be at times more honest say things they might not say face to face and why.
Now, here's the hard part. The story itself will be displayed as conversation occurring over the Internet via mainly IM. The story will be displayed over the internet as something like a streaming movie or flash-like animation (I say something like, since it may very well be easier to do it HTML/AJAX), the "reader"'s browser will become the image of a fictional (Hero's) desktop as he is having multiple conversations concurrently, as well as opening and using links to medie (youtube, etc) to opening twitterish, blogish, forumish applications to help move the plot along and make points. The entire story of a relationship hanging on the edge of something real and something forgotten will play out on a stranger's work desktop in, to the reader's perspective, real time (accelerated actual time, the story will only last perhaps 15 to 30 minutes) as he goes through his workday.
Note on the names: The screen names for their IM sessions will be some variation on Hero, Princess, Foil and Dude.
Would you sit through something like that? I know the execution is the most important part, but is the concept valid?
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#2 2008-05-31 04:59:27
That might be interesting. It sounds like something that might do well in an episodic format if it goes long at all, though. The kids these days have no attention span.
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#3 2008-05-31 05:01:18
On a side note, do you know anyone whose intelligence you respect in general but types like an 11-year-old when on IM? Drives...me...batty.
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#4 2008-05-31 09:32:05
I agree with Tojo. The kids have no attention span. They like visuals.
Also, to get someone to read a whole conversation it has to be pretty damn interesting.
It's a good concept, though.
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#5 2008-05-31 10:48:25
I depart from my usual cynicism to ask a sincere question: would you be interested in this if someone else had thought it up? If the answer is yes, forge ahead. I reserve judgement, because I haven't caught a whiff of plot yet, and relationships per se are not my glass of scotch.
* Forgot to mention: I do like the general idea of an IM-based story. I think that the kids would grok it, and I would too, given...as I said before...a bit of plot.
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#6 2008-05-31 16:02:55
If you haven't already seen Greg Pak's Robot Stories, I think you might find it intriguing and useful (addresses the role of technology in human intimacy, among other things). Your premise/synopsis seems to have equal parts [Gregg] Araki, Rian Johnson's Brick (film) and Chuck Palahniuk's Rant (book). I don't think it needs the redundant focus of the Internet to highlight a burgeoning sense of depersonalization in our culture...where we have more ways than ever to connect with each other but still feel alone, misunderstood, or unfairly judged. Regardless, see the Palahniuk regarding "oral histories," as IMs are essentially abbreviated versions of same.
Consider this: Would you ever do a prose piece that was basically nothing but dialogue, and not even linear, intelligible dialogue at that? (i.e., avoiding chatspeak or SMS formatting...I don't think I'd personally read a whole novella of LOLs)
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#7 2008-05-31 18:41:21
Who cares what we think? Write it anyway.
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#8 2008-05-31 18:47:53
I ask since it will require considerable tech effort before I even get to the point of writing the thing. If I'm just riffing off a stoned idea, I might want some outside perspective before blowing a lot of time on something no one will watch.
I'm thinking now it would have to be episodic, at least at first while I try different things and get a feel for it. Still needs more thought.
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#9 2008-05-31 20:28:22
Hero 29/M/Mountain View
Princess 28/F/Emeryville
Foil 29/F/Santa Cruz
Dude 32/M/San Jose
I know enough about each of these disparate places to wonder what these characters see in one another.
I find it helpful to continually ask myself, what do they want?
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#10 2008-05-31 21:24:47
choad wrote:
Hero 29/M/Mountain View
Princess 28/F/Emeryville
Foil 29/F/Santa Cruz
Dude 32/M/San JoseI know enough about each of these disparate places to wonder what these characters see in one another.
I find it helpful to continually ask myself, what do they want?
If they're as stoned as Orangeplus, it's likely to be a 7-layer Burrito.
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#11 2008-05-31 22:36:18
Just remember that backstory is NOT as important as the actual story.
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#13 2008-06-01 02:23:20
The cities are chosen for effect. I would think most bay area residents would be able to come up with workable stereotypes of people who choose to live in those places and about their lifestyles. I can see in each of them a fully formed character through the lens of people who grew up in suburban central valley California, bounced through the state college system and fell into their places in the world. It's not something I want to spend time explaining in the course of the story, but I know these people, even though they are not modeled on any particular friends of mine, they are all familiar types. Choosing those particular cities allowed me to write their personal stories in my head. I already can guess how they will behave in certain situations, what's important to them, what kind of lifestyle they lead. None are big pot smokers, but one has a bogus dispensary card, just in case they might want to.
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#14 2008-06-01 13:25:30
orangeplus wrote:
The cities are chosen for effect. I would think most bay area residents would be able to come up with workable stereotypes of people who choose to live in those places and about their lifestyles. I can see in each of them a fully formed character through the lens of people who grew up in suburban central valley California, bounced through the state college system and fell into their places in the world. It's not something I want to spend time explaining in the course of the story, but I know these people, even though they are not modeled on any particular friends of mine, they are all familiar types. Choosing those particular cities allowed me to write their personal stories in my head. I already can guess how they will behave in certain situations, what's important to them, what kind of lifestyle they lead. None are big pot smokers, but one has a bogus dispensary card, just in case they might want to.
See, since not everyone lives in San Fran-fucking-cisco, none of the cities meant jack shit to me. I just kinda skimmed over them as unimportant names of places. As a lifelong sci-fi devotee, I'm used to doing that with planet Zyrklon or whathaveyou, and if a real human place's name has no attached information in a story I'm reading it hits that same hardwired neural algorithm.
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#15 2008-06-01 14:11:25
jesusluvspegging wrote:
Just remember that backstory is NOT as important as the actual story.
Yes. The feasibility study is ringing hollow. So far all we're hearing is concept, when what we really care about is plot.
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#16 2008-06-01 15:12:05
orangeplus wrote:
the "reader"'s browser will become the image of a fictional (Hero's) desktop as he is having multiple conversations concurrently, as well as opening and using links to medie (youtube, etc) to opening twitterish, blogish, forumish applications to help move the plot along and make points.
I have no constructive opinion about the storyline, but I think this sort of presentation would be a novel and potentially effective way to tell a story.
Good luck with this!
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