I wasn't going to mention anything 'bout this (just steal it for my site), but I feel pretty much the same about it as "white pride." People in the majority are not, by definition, oppressed. It is their "pride," or presupposition they must announce what should be obvious to all, that undermines the value of the experience. We don't have parades for male pride, height pride, or even Jew pride (that I'm aware of), but while individuals should feel empowered by what makes them unique instead of judged for it, to organize in a group on that basis is to defeat the whole purpose of being special.

That said, I was never one to be a big gay pride march attendee or participant. There was probably a rough, transitory weekend in 1991, but I quickly learned that if you don't want to be judged solely for your sexuality, then you don't make it the first thing people think about you when you meet them.

pALEPHx wrote:

I wasn't going to mention anything 'bout this (just steal it for my site), but I feel pretty much the same about it as "white pride." People in the majority are not, by definition, oppressed. It is their "pride," or presupposition they must announce what should be obvious to all, that undermines the value of the experience. We don't have parades for male pride, height pride, or even Jew pride (that I'm aware of), but while individuals should feel empowered by what makes them unique instead of judged for it, to organize in a group on that basis is to defeat the whole purpose of being special.

That said, I was never one to be a big gay pride march attendee or participant. There was probably a rough, transitory weekend in 1991, but I quickly learned that if you don't want to be judged solely for your sexuality, then you don't make it the first thing people think about you when you meet them.

You missed your calling, pENIx. You should have been a social worker. If you start quoting Paulo Friere to us I'll drive down to Phoenix and take an enormous shit on your doorstep. (I'm hoping that falls just short of being an actionable threat.) Humans are human. They do not recognize a heirarchy of oppression. They will not respect a heirarchy of oppression. Arguing for one weakens the will and the intellect. Revolutions are won through force of will, not sophistry.

fnord wrote:

pALEPHx  wrote:

We don't have parades for male pride, height pride, or even Jew pride (that I'm aware of)...

Annual Jew Pride Parade

Well, lookie there. I can just imagine the blowout they'll have if everybody lives to see the centennial!

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pALEPHx wrote:

People in the majority are not, by definition, oppressed.

Where did you find that definition?  People in the majority are, by definition, in the majority.  That's as far as it goes.  Remember apartheid?  From the 40's until the 90's the black majority population of South Africa was oppressed by the minority white population.

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Zookeeper wrote:

pALEPHx wrote:

People in the majority are not, by definition, oppressed.

Where did you find that definition?  People in the majority are, by definition, in the majority.  That's as far as it goes.  Remember apartheid?  From the 40's until the 90's the black majority population of South Africa was oppressed by the minority white population.

That definition is derived from Paolo Friere: The Pedagogy of the Oppressed. It's a book beloved by left-wing arts professors, "radical social workers," feminists, and Intellectuals of Colour. It's an important read if you want to understand the New Stalinism.

Zookie stole my thunder, but

pALEPHx wrote:

People in the majority are not, by definition, oppressed.

Tell that to the middle class.

opsec wrote:

Tell that to the middle class.

Aren't I?

hedgewizard wrote:

sofaking wrote:

My friend (who is a member of this site) wears a straight pride t-shirt. It has a black and grey flag instead of the traditional rainblow. He wears it because he's a super-fine looking DJ who gets hit on by men all the time.

I tried to find it, but only found this.

It's not exactly what you want, but try this:

http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/straight/

Hahahaha. That's it.

I was mistaken. It is a grey rainblow.

pALEPHx wrote:

Zookeeper wrote:

Remember apartheid?

OK, colonial rule and tyrannical governments aside, I was speaking socially, not politically. And someone tell Wilber I only read Camille Paglia when I need to understand his pronouncements.

Does the reading of any particular philosopher grant credence to an arguement??  Or shall we simply resort to Clauswitz and then what's done is done??

In the end Might still makes Right; and our minor victories for individual freedoms are but a footnote in the legal history of the realm.  Should you care to not be a living example of the "V" script, understand that none of the decisions based on "tyranny of the minority" will stand long-term, this is but an aberrational period - an over-correction if you will.

Sad as that may be, we remain, the individuals who strike for real freedom; normally at the expense of society as a whole.  It is amusing that we fail to understand the negative impact of our enlightened positions on a real society.  A balance must be struck and all the high ideas we enjoy preaching here are but worm hills in the face of the relentess politics of mankind.

The biological imperative will override all in the end, come Hell, High-water or advanced science; normalization and overt control will be achieved.

it remains:  A Brave New World

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If being in the majority no longer makes you a minority, why are there minority set-asides for women, consisting of 51% of the population?

sofaking wrote:

Hahahaha. That's it.

I was mistaken. It is a grey rainblow.

I like quite a few of the shirts. Howevr my dawter wu graduated kindergardin usays fonics and wants xplanations of the stuf she reeds on my shirts.  The boss says no tshirthell for me.

GooberMcNutly wrote:

Had Womyns Studies last semester did we?

Pick your fights carefully and keep the only key to the gun safe.  Works for me.

shit peggy, by the time that woman hit 34 she wasn't able to get off unless the dude pulled her hair hard and mashed her head into the pillow like he was trying to put it through the bed.

We always win, we just wait em out nature takes care of the rest.

34? Wait until they hit their late 40s. Women hear the biological clock ticking and they will rape your ass on the slightest pretense. Like 15 year old boys they are.

There is sex that is too degrading? Haven't found it yet.