AladdinSane wrote:

According to Wikipedia, Blagojevich is a Democrat...

Um, that's because Blagojevich is a Democrat. Did you think no one had noticed? I mean, other than Ptah?

Last edited by Taint (2008-12-09 13:46:33)

I see that now, but Ptah can't pull off irony.

The brazen quality of Blagojevich's approach to, em, opportunity reminds me of another democrat, John Jenrette, who told an FBI agent befiore taking a bag of cash in the Abscam sting that he had "larceny in his heart."  (As an aside, not long thereafter, his wife Rita posed in Playboy.  For a middle aged woman, I thought she was pretty hot.)  I have to admit a certain perverse curiousity about thugs in office.

As brazen as these clowns were, no one can touch Nixon.  The recently released tapes of Nixon and Haldeman have some classic moments where he demands that Haldeman arrange for a burglary of the Brooklings Institution headquarters.  At another time, he pushed for a fire bombing of Brookings.  Having spent a little time at the Brookings, I cannot describe how out of place Nixon's ideas seem.  It is a building full of eggheads.  Not exactly the types that should inspire such ire.

Illinois  governors  nothing new  unfortunately.

phreddy wrote:

The first of Obama's friends to be arrested and indicted, and even before he takes office.  Being from Chicago, Obama will be setting the all time record for presidential pardons.

But but but but CLIN-ton!

Fled wrote:

As brazen as these clowns were, no one can touch Nixon.  The recently released tapes of Nixon and Haldeman have some classic moments where he demands that Haldeman arrange for a burglary of the Brooklings Institution headquarters.  At another time, he pushed for a fire bombing of Brookings.  Having spent a little time at the Brookings, I cannot describe how out of place Nixon's ideas seem.  It is a building full of eggheads.  Not exactly the types that should inspire such ire.

I have been re-reading some Vonnegut, and I swear to God, I just came across the following this very day:

[Nixon] is the first President to hate the American people and all they stand for.  He believes so vibranty in his own purity, although he has committed crimes which are hideous, that I am bound to conclude that someone told him when he was very young that all serious crime was sexual, that no one could be a criminal who did not commit adultery or masturbate.
He is a useful man in that he has shown us that our Constitution is a defective document, which makes a childlike assumption that we would never elect a President who disliked us so.  So we must amend the Constitution in order that we can more easily eject such a person from office and even put him in jail.

Circa 1974...emphasis mine.

headkicker_girl wrote:

As for Blago and Obama, Blago needed Obama more than Obama needed him.  Blago cozied up to Obama to hitch onto his star, so to speak.  I doubt very seriously if Obama is remotely involved in any of he corruption.

According to the report, Obama wasn't involved, and that really pissed Blago off.  It's actually my favorite quote from the transcripts:

Blago Blagonovitch wrote:

In a conversation with Harris on November 11, the charges state, Blagojevich said he knew that the President-elect wanted Senate Candidate 1 for the open seat but "they're not willing to give me anything except appreciation. Fuck them."

Last edited by tojo2000 (2008-12-09 20:56:17)

ptah13 wrote:

I'm not saying he was party to this, but it is pretty funny that his buddy told the news, a few weeks ago, that Obama and Blago were talking about his replacement and now the same guy is saying, "they never talked about it, I was mistaken".

I love how hardcore liberals are all turning on Obama as he backs out of most of his campaign promises...

life is good!

I love your stamina.  Keep it up, there, buddy.  Your party will have a chance to fuck it up again someday.

By the way, just a reminder:  today is International Anti-corruption Day

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Johnny_Rotten wrote:

tojo2000 wrote:

ptah13 wrote:

I'm not saying he was party to this, but it is pretty funny that his buddy told the news, a few weeks ago, that Obama and Blago were talking about his replacement and now the same guy is saying, "they never talked about it, I was mistaken".

I love how hardcore liberals are all turning on Obama as he backs out of most of his campaign promises...

life is good!

I love your stamina.  Keep it up, there, buddy.  Your party will have a chance to fuck it up again someday.

Don't be thick Tojo. Ptah fancies himself a cypher, a chamelion, a party rental merry prankster raising hell by galloping down the middle of high street.

But he voted for the big O.

I'm not thick.  I don't care if he believes in their politics or votes for them, but if he's decided that his persona on High Street is that of a Republitroll then he can go sit at the little kids' table with Phreddy.

(I was actually trying to goad him into saying something about it, but you ruined it.)

Johnny_Rotten wrote:

tojo2000 wrote:

ptah13 wrote:

I'm not saying he was party to this, but it is pretty funny that his buddy told the news, a few weeks ago, that Obama and Blago were talking about his replacement and now the same guy is saying, "they never talked about it, I was mistaken".

I love how hardcore liberals are all turning on Obama as he backs out of most of his campaign promises...

life is good!

I love your stamina.  Keep it up, there, buddy.  Your party will have a chance to fuck it up again someday.

Don't be thick Tojo. Ptah fancies himself a cypher, a chamelion, a party rental merry prankster raising hell by galloping down the middle of high street.

But he voted for the big O.

Who told you!?!?!?!?!

Yeah, I dig the "merry prankster" analogy.... This made my day. You don't know how close to the head of the nail you hit me with that one.... Damn... Do we know each other?

I read "Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" when I was in middle school and it set a pattern in me that carried me for almost 20 years... good times...

I did like Tojo's reply, though. I actually giggled a bit. Truth be told, I'm happy Obama won for many reasons, most of which have to do with several people I became close to over the years who thought, before the met me, that all white folk were either in the klan or klan-sympathetic. I remember what Will Smith said to Oprah after the election and it makes it all worth it. He said something to the effect that he never thought, in his lifetime, enough whites would vote for a black candidate to ever win an election and he went on to say how being wrong about that made him feel. Obama's election did more for race relations than anything since the 60's....

Proving that MOST Americans are color blind is way more important than anything else... I'm sure it was a shock to find that Obama got more white male votes than either Kerry or Gore.... that tells you a lot about Kerry and Gore....

Anyway, God fucking bless America. None of those Euro countries (Canada included) have ever elected a black man....  Now they can all take their false sense of superiority and fuck themselves with it and go back to hating us because of envy instead of hating us because our leader is a wack-job.

I feel so balanced right now. In my heart, I'm tirelessly clinging to my guns and lack of religion but in my soul I'm happy that some leftist (possible crook) is my president..... That's the beauty of our country and, with all our faults, we are the only place where a guy like Obama could possibly become president.

Oh yeah, I'll dog this guy relentlessly for the next 4 years for all his fuck-ups and leftist bullshit, you can count on that. I feel strongly about socialism and I'm proud of my stance on that shit. I hate the whole religious right crap as much as your most vapid lefttard on this board, so at least that is something we can all agree on. So far, though, Obama has dropped half the promises he made that I didn't like so I don't have much to complain about... He seems to be moving right every day... heehee

Johnny_Rotten wrote:

Sorry to rain on the parade.

It is hard to tell sometimes just who is trolling who around here.

I usually just assume Tojo is trolling someone and that generally works out solid for me.

Just a tip!

Thanks, again for your analogy. Made my day! I think I'll go dig up some hallucinogens and watch me my new The Closing of Winterland DVD..!

Oh, Ptah, oh, Fled. The only ones who are disappointed in Obama's theoretical shift to the right are the extreme left and people like yourselves. You were hoping to finally project your frustrations from the past eight years onto a Democrat but, of course, you can't and now you feel let down. Did you honestly think Americans would vote for a black man who is anything other than a centrist or a conservative?

When Obama begins asking Americans to tighten their belts and to plan on making sacrifices to clean up the mess of the past decade, are you going to kick and whine and refuse to cooperate?

Last edited by Taint (2008-12-10 15:57:43)

I just love it when devotees of ANY politician learn the truth about the object of their devotion.  Bible thumpers who get caught fucking little boys are the standard fare, but right now it is particularly fun to watch the beaming faces of the disciples of the Messiah as they discover he is only a pragmatic politician, and not the righteous wrath of the Far Left come to smite the rich and impeach the president.

I am way to the fucking left of either Pelosi or Reed.

prepare for disappointment

whosasailorthen wrote:

When I was in junior high I read "A Child's Garden of Grass" and "Steal This Book".  Both left an impression on me for a lifetime.

whosasailorthen wrote:

When I was in junior high I read "A Child's Garden of Grass" and "Steal This Book".  Both left an impression on me for a lifetime.

Yep, me too. I built a water pipe based on an illustration in the former before I'd ever seen one and stuck out my thumb for Las Vegas inspired by the later. I got to Tennessee and turned back.

Happily, I didn't get around to reading 'Dealing or The Berkeley-to-Boston Forty-Brick Lost-Bag Blues' until a bit later.

tojo2000 wrote:

ptah13 wrote:

No, YOU'VE decided I'm a "republitroll" and I've corrected you time and time again. Just because I'm anti-left doesn't make me that far right. You're so far gone that you only see what you want to see and there isn't much I can do to change that.

I believe both parties are equally fucked up. Of course, many liberals on here will say, "oh yeah, both parties are equally fucked up" and then go back to defending random democrat till they are blue in the face. I actually mean it. Did you not read what I posted when I voted? I voted for more Democrats than I did Republicans, you silly little sloth.

Again, just because I'm passionately anti-socialist doesn't make me a Republican. I'm a registered Democrat, didn't you hear?

So call me the anti-socialist liberal or the anti-religious nutjob rightwingnut but don't generalize me just because you ignore everything I post that is contrary to your preconceived notion of what you think I am.  Shit, when you are as far-left as you portray yourself to be, I bet even Che Guevara looks like a "republitroll". Either way, I'll consider it an honor to sit at the table with Phred and we'll laugh as you guys come unglued when Obama doesn't tax the rich or speed up the Iraq pull-out... hehehehe


(there, see, JR didn't ruin it! Although that first post was no way to bait me, I liked it!)

I already told you, I don't care what your personal political beliefs are.  Ever since the day you showed up on High Street you've taken on every Republican (not conservative) talking point that came down the pike because, as you said, you want to see people come unglued.  That's what people on the Internets call a troll.  You like to think of yourself as a centrist because it lets you play the concern troll.  The fact that you actually profess to think that Obama is a socialist is a dead giveaway.  Nobody with half a brain could actually believe that.  Phreddy probably believes that.  I think you probably don't care.

In any case, if you decide to take on the persona of a Republican troll when Democrats are winning because it tickles your fancy, don't get all hot and bothered if you're treated like one just because you really just hate both parties or whatever other bullshit it is this week.

First, I've never read or heard any "talking points" in my whole life. Anything I address is my own opinion. You always accuse me of reading some, "talking points", which I find funny. "Talking point" must mean "a truth we have no argument for".

Second, you admit yourself that YOU were trolling ME in your previous post. Pot, meet kettle.

Also, although I do find it funny when people come unglued, I haven't been the "guy sent in to make people off themselves" since the bonsai kitty days.

I'm sorry that you've had a hard-on for me since I first came here, Blojo. It seems more telling about you than it does me. Again, I find it quite amusing that you admit (in this very thread) that you are trying to bait and troll me, then claim your superiority over me because I'm a supposed internet troll.

Sir, you are a hypocrite and tool of the highest order and are not worthy of my attention.

Furthermore, anyone who says they want to "redistribute the money", to me, is a socialist. I don't believe someone should be punished for hard work and subsequent success. I don't believe anyone should be rewarded for being lazy and/or stupid. Thank god Obama was just pretending to be a socialist to get your vote.

Again, it seems over the years you've simply read what you wanted to read about me, and ignored 1/2 of what I've said. You can't paint me with your brush of idiocy because you are so narrow-minded. I almost ALWAYS say, "hey this is what I believe" and make disclaimers about my rhetoric and you're the idiot for ignoring those, not me.

sorry.... but don't expect me to buy into your toothless nonsense.

headkicker_girl wrote:

phreddy wrote:

I just love it when devotees of ANY politician learn the truth about the object of their devotion.  Bible thumpers who get caught fucking little boys are the standard fare, but right now it is particularly fun to watch the beaming faces of the disciples of the Messiah as they discover he is only a pragmatic politician, and not the righteous wrath of the Far Left come to smite the rich and impeach the president.

Stop thinking that the media represents the majority.  I don't know anyone who leans as far to the left as Pelosi and Reed.  Everyone that I know considered Obama a centrist.  Obama won because he's a centrist.  Anyone who voted for him because they thought he was going to push a radical leftist agenda is just as stupid as anyone who voted for Bush because they thought he was going to end abortion.

So you knew, as well, that Obama was just blowing air when he said he was going to raise taxes on those making over 250k (later changed to 200k, then 150k)?

You knew he was just joking when he claimed he was pulling out of Iraq in 16 months?

Wow, you and George must really be insiders.

Fled wrote:

ptah13 wrote:

So you knew, as well, that Obama was just blowing air when he said he was going to raise taxes on those making over 250k (later changed to 200k, then 150k)?

You knew he was just joking when he claimed he was pulling out of Iraq in 16 months?

Wow, you and George must really be insiders.

Are you aware of any economist who recommends increasing income taxes in a severe recession?  Do you think Obamaramists want him to plow ahead with restoring the higher tax rates on high-incomes regardless of the state of the economy? 

On Iraq, you are making assumptions about what will happen in the next 16 months.  I think his supporters are looking for him to move decisively in a direction more than to hew to an exact timeline. 

Furthermore, anyone who says they want to "redistribute the money", to me, is a socialist. I don't believe someone should be punished for hard work and subsequent success. I don't believe anyone should be rewarded for being lazy and/or stupid. Thank god Obama was just pretending to be a socialist to get your vote.

Tends to make Tojo's point.  The whole "socialist" label was a talking points item, no?  Not to get too "political-sciency" about it, but different forms of "redistribution" are at the core of virtually every function of government.  In the US, we have a moderately progressive income tax structure.  Characterizing it as "punishment" is just rhetorical flourish.  Do you think the members of the highest income bracket are suffering terribly?  If so, your sympathies are misplaced.  And do you think all people in the lower brackets are "lazy and/or stupid"?  This suggests arrogance.

Hillarious!

Now his mindless minions are rationalizing away his campaign lies.

Windfall Oil tax- gone
Taxing folks making over 250k- gone
Pull out troops in 16 months- gone

The funniest part is, during the campaign the republicans said, "you can't tax anybody during an economy like this", to which Obama didn't back down, and now Obamas supporters are saying, "well, you can't tax anyone in an economy like this".

Same with the troops. All along the right has said, "we're going to pull them out, but we have to do it in a responsible manner based on ground conditions". Now Obamapoligists are out in force (Tojo and Fled) saying, "well, umm, yeah that 16 month thing was never, umm, yeah, umm, set in stone" (in my best Obama accent).

Trust me, I'm thrilled to death that he was lying when he promised those things, but it just goes to show what idiots Obamapoligsts (yeah, that's not a "talking point", I just thought of that in the previous thread, idiots, I'm sure someone else has thought of it as well, it's not a stretch) really are when they were defending the 250k tax increase and firm 16 month pull-out.

You guys crack me up on the "talk points" bullshit. This somehow implies that I either listen to AM radio (Limbaugh), read something more right-wing than the AP news wire or something along those matters. I don't even watch Fox News, so where you think I'm getting tips on things to print here is beyond me. I have My Yahoo as my "home page" and I have several news items on my home page (most viewed, breaking news, etc) as well as some sports news for the teams I like. Unless they are slipping in these "talking points" in the Colts news, I'm not getting the memo you keep trying to proclaim I am. I got my opinion about Obama and his breaking of his campaign promises from a "most viewed" AP story sometime either late last week or over the weekend. Sorry to disappoint you guys. You are such experts on the "talk points" that it saddens me that you folks load up on all the latest Obamanation (another one I just threw together, which I'm sure other folks have, too) tips to defend his campaign backtracking.

On top of that, this other claim made about how Obama has proven he's not anything like Pelosi... please....

Obama has voted with Pelosi, when he's been there to vote, some 95+% of the time. If McCain is "more of the same" then Obama must be Pelosi's human butt plug, based on the same logic used in the campaign... Obama has been nothing more than Pelosi's bitch. He was the first guy to come out and say, "well, we should drill for oil" after Pelosi put out her famous "if you need to say it to get elected, it's ok to say you are for drilling".

Now, that's not saying that a President Obama won't be center of Pelosi, but to somehow claim he has a track record for it is bull. So far, it looks like (much to the dismay of many liberals) Obama will govern from somewhere right of Pelosi. This is what I was hoping for and nobody will be happier than I when it comes to pass.

So, to wrap up, all of you Obamapologists who defend his political lies to get into office, shame on you! You'd have garnered more respect to say, "hey, people say what they can to win and then make the hard decisions after the election".

hehehehehehe

Which are you?

The one who pointed out how empty your rhetoric sometimes gets. 

hehehehehehe

The horse's ass rears its ugly head.  (Being long winded only makes you dull.)

orangeplus wrote:

idiot wrote:

Windfall Oil tax- gone
Taxing folks making over 250k- gone
Pull out troops in 16 months- gone

Windfall Oil tax- The windfall profits are gone, so there's nothing to tax, have you seen the price of Oil lately?

Taxing folks making over 250k - Still declared policy
Pull out troops in 16 months - Still declared policy

The motherfucker isn't even president yet, why not wait to give him a chance to actually break his promises before dissing him for them? Oh yeah, I already know the answer, you're an idiot.

Ahh, based on your logic, when he does break the promises then you are the idiot and I'm the genius.

If you weren't so stupid, OP, you'd be dangerous.

His appointed folk are the ones backing out of his promises for him, in case you haven't heard. Sorry to disappoint.