ptah13 wrote:

You did notice that it was about a protest against out of control government spending.

It has nothing to do with anything any of you people who simply believe every lie you are sold on MSNBC. Simply following the lead of folks like Olbermann and Rachel Maddow leaves all of you full of the same bullshit propaganda those people spew. This is a PRIME EXAMPLE of the fact that MSNBC is simply the propaganda arm of the left. Not a single one of you had any idea what the whole issue was about.

I'm so glad all of you (including Horse) look so stupid right now!


I RULE!!!


(sorry, one post didn't do it for me, it is not often I get to make every one of you (including horse) look so stupid, I'm really enjoying it!)

Oh, for the love of BOB.

Last edited by sofaking (2009-04-16 16:51:54)

Tar.  What's happened to you in my absence, man?  I mean, you've gotten even dumber and more egotistical.... I'm getting all emotional now.  Da'zza ma' boy!  I'm just so proud....

Horseonovich wrote:

Tar.  What's happened to you in my absence, man?  I mean, you've gotten even dumber and more egotistical.... I'm getting all emotional now.  Da'zza ma' boy!  I'm just so proud....

Are you talking to me?

So, me proving virtually everyone on this thread (including you, as you hitched to the wrong horse), Keith Obermann and Rachel Maddow (man, I hate her with a passion, she is the liberal Ann Coulter) so totally wrong equates to me being "dumber"?

So, smart, to you, equals being totally clueless? Does the horse now live in "opposite day", like when we were in preschool?

I was right, you were wrong. It happens. Deal with it.


I RULE!! (pumps fist like Kevin Spacey in American Beauty)

paaaaa-toi

Horseonovich wrote:

You're such a child.  Your view of this entire thread is ass fucking backward.  Follow the lead of (our) defeated peers?   Man, did you steel my blinders, fishing pole and carrot again? 

Ptah, take it from moi, declaring yourself right and everyone else wrong only works if it happens to be true.  But what you are doing here on this thread either equals or surpasses that fabulous South Park episode where Cartman is serving tea (reference intended) to a bunch of dolls while we just kind of watch in stunned bemusement through a hole  in the fence.

This is superb entertainment.  Pity it's at your expense.

Did you read this thread, moron?

Tojo, HKG, and the two video clips from MSNBC all claim that the "tea party" thing is all about people not wanting to pay taxes.

I said, "no, it's about people pissed off about government spending".

Then Tojo came back and told me I was full of shit.

So, I posted a link to the tea party web page where they say, "it's all about being pissed off about government spending".

How much more simple can you get? I was right, and those people  (and you who piped in and said, "I agree with Tojo") were wrong.

Ok, smart guy. Prove me wrong. Prove that the Tea Party folk are all about not paying taxes?

Hell, Tojo even went as far as to say, before I proved him wrong, "Where do you get the idea that the tea parties are "about spending".". Then, right after that post, you gleefully proclaim yourself in full agreement with Tojo.

After that, I posted the link to the Tea Party Webpage (under the "ABOUT" tab) that spells out EXACTLY what the Tea Party is all about (which, is EXACTLY WHAT I SAID IT WAS ABOUT).

I mean, it is one thing for Tojo and HKG to misunderstand the situation (and I can understand why after seeing the Olbermann and other MSNBC vids) but it is something else for you to come on here, after I've proven my point beyond any doubt, and still claim I'm wrong.

Man, your "triumphant return" is the biggest case of tripping over your own feces you've ever done.

Hell, I salute you. It is rare that you come on a page and so quickly make both a fool of yourself and an ass, all in one thread.

And to think, once again, it was at the hands of Ptah that you are shown for the ignorant slut you really are.

Oh, and remember, here's the link: http://taxdayteaparty.com/about/

And, from that link, the relevant text:

The Tea Party protests, in their current form, began in early 2009 when Rick Santelli, the On Air Editor for CNBC, set out on a rant to expose the bankrupt liberal agenda of the White House Administration and Congress. Specifically, the flawed “Stimulus Bill” and pork filled budget.

During Rick’s rant (see video below), he called for a “Chicago tea Party” where advocates of the free-market system could join in a protest against out of control government spending.

Go ahead, mr word-gift. Prove me wrong. Prove that the tea parties are all about not wanting to pay taxes, as everyone on here proclaimed. Good luck with that.

If you can't do it, then, you just got owned (again) by Ptah. You should be use to it by now.



edit: I "get" that the joke, at the beginning of the thread is about people talking about "teabagging". After that, there was the post where Olbermann went into histrionics about something that has NOTHING to do with what the tea party is about. I then point out that I don't think people understand what the tea party is about and that is when I was told by Tojo, HKG (and you) that it was I that was wrong. I'm not arguing that the teabagging joke isn't funny, but it has nothing to do with me being right (in the first place) and you all (and the folks at MSNBC) being wrong.

Notice that I didn't have any argument UNTIL I pointed out that folks on here didn't get what was being protested. Do you understand that or must I further spell it out to you, moronovich? This has nothing to do with the fact that "hot teabagging action" is funny and kudos to that bitch I hate on MSNBC for her piece. However much I disagree and hate her, even I have to say "touche" and agree that it was funny. Although, she still is the Ann Coulter of the left.

Man, even though I went on and on about being right (I just like the visual of me as Kevin Spacey in American Beauty after buying his all-time favorite car), I really take no real orgasm from Tojo and HKG as I can understand where their misunderstanding comes from (as the left doesn't want to talk about the fact that people are pissed about spending and want to misdirect the whole movement). I don't blame them nor fault them nor think they are stupid for saying what they said. I can at least admit that I have a level of respect for both of them, even though we don't agree on political or economical issues. Hence, why I went on and on about being "right". If I could care less about what they thought, then the victory would be hollow. Like, for example, if it was just you and I arguing about it. You would have never seen the font size change or the "I rule" comments, as beating you is like beating a dead... well,  you know,  you've been beaten so badly over the years that your hide could be used for body armor.

But, man.. you really take the cake. Methinks thou golden love has tarnished into a lime-hued affliction.

Last edited by ptah13 (2009-04-17 01:00:53)

I'm against paying taxes, especially when it comes to the federal income tax.  I view taxes as being nothing more than theft and the only reason I pay them is fear of retribution.  I'm not saying I want a free ride because I don't, I feel as if the answer to the problem is the toll system...  I don't give a shit about public schools because I don't have children, I don't ever use the public libraries because they're never opened at times when I can use them, public housing doesn't do me any good because I worked my fucking ass off, limited my spending and provided my own shelter.  I use the U.S. highway system a lot and I'm more than willing to pay for that privilege.  People like me (and there are a lot of them) don't want to fuck anyone over or limit their opportunities, they just want to live their life honestly and support themselves.  My main problem with the left is that they won't allow people the opportunity to live their own lives, they feel as if individuals are so ignorant that they don't know what is best for them and for society.  The Republican party has the same problem in that they are so arrogant as to think they know what moral choices are better for people than they know for themselves.  I am completely exhausted by this never ending line of self-appointed and democratically elected political and moral authority coming to me telling me what my priorities, morals and fiscal responsibility should be.  At this point in history the only way for me to no longer be responsible for the mistakes and poor choices of others is to join them and be a dreg of humanity myself.  I have my own priorities and they don't match up with the priorities put forward by the Democrats or the Republicans.  Does this mean I'm a fucking idiot and should just set my priorities aside and live according to their standards?  Fuck no, I hate both of their ideologies regardless of their intentions and choose to live my own life.  I can't think of the last politician who wasn't a condescending douche bag promoting their filth in an attempt to gain just a little more control based on the fears of their constituency.

Okay, I wasn't going to bother responding because I was at work and by the time I had a chance I figured it was too late, but Ptah, you are an idiot.  In your excitement to show us all the web page, you forgot to read what I said.  The people at the tea parties seemed to have no one unifying cause. 

I'll wait a second here while you go back and skim my post to try to find words for your next attack...


Still waiting...


God, you read slow, don't you...


....



Okay, anyway, my point was that you can say that there was a point, but you are WRONG.  I don't care if you have a signed letter form the first conservative to schedule a teabagging party.  The truth is that the collective conservatives of the country jumped on the Ron Paul bandwagon and then it became a statement about spending, and then FOX news and the RNC and FreedomWorks got involved, and they were able to get masses of people involved, but those people had no fucking idea why they were there.

The website may be clear in its intentions, but the simple truth is that the people that showed up had no idea what the fuck they were there for other than "we hate librulz LOL".

I've seen anti-Obama, anti-marxism (idiots), anti-socialism(idtiots), and anti-nazi(biggest idiots of all time) shilling their wares at teaparties.  Taxes are an overriding theme, though, anhd can you guess why?  Because the Conservative/racist/idiot movement stole the idea from the Ron Paul followers, and they are batshit crazy anti-tax people.

So go ahead, cite your website, but unless you can somehow show that I'm wrong that the actual people that actually showed up with actual signs and actual chants and actual interviews in the really-real world contradict me, then shut the fuck up, you pathetic knee-jerk anti-liberal.

sofaking wrote:

As you see, we have unbanned you.

I'd just like to point out that Sofie means "We" in the figurative sense and that I was in no way involved in said unbanishment.

Tea-Bagging Fuck-Tard wrote:

Lincoln believed in liberty.

Which is why he suspended that pesky, liberty-impeding, Fifth Amendment.  "History" (And, the 'Merican "Education" system) have been way too kind to that Mother-Fucker.

Oh, and, piss on this fucking thread.

tojo2000 wrote:

dumb dumb and dumber...

Okay, anyway, my point was that you can say that there was a point, but you are WRONG.  I don't care if you have a signed letter form the first conservative to schedule a teabagging party.  The truth is that the collective conservatives of the country jumped on the Ron Paul bandwagon and then it became a statement about spending, and then FOX news and the RNC and FreedomWorks got involved, and they were able to get masses of people involved, but those people had no fucking idea why they were there.

The website may be clear in its intentions, but the simple truth is that the people that showed up had no idea what the fuck they were there for other than "we hate librulz LOL".

I've seen anti-Obama, anti-marxism (idiots), anti-socialism(idtiots), and anti-nazi(biggest idiots of all time) shilling their wares at teaparties.  Taxes are an overriding theme, though, anhd can you guess why?  Because the Conservative/racist/idiot movement stole the idea from the Ron Paul followers, and they are batshit crazy anti-tax people.

So go ahead, cite your website, but unless you can somehow show that I'm wrong that the actual people that actually showed up with actual signs and actual chants and actual interviews in the really-real world contradict me, then shut the fuck up, you pathetic knee-jerk anti-liberal.

I can't believe you, of all people are trying to make this argument.

I simply said, "you people don't understand what the whole Tea Party concept was about, it is about SPENDING not 'not paying taxes'".

To which, here was your reply:

Um... really?  Based on what?  I've seen over 100 photos of these events all across the country.  There is only one tenuous theme:  taxes.  Some think there shouldn't be any, some think theirs are being raised (statistically making 95% of that group complete morans), and the majority is a hodge podge of every possible gripe from gun control to fascism to immigration.  Where do you get the idea that the tea parties are "about spending".  At best you could say that spending is the primary cause of some of the people there.

So, I provide a reply linking you to their official website, saying EXACTLY what I said (their focus is on spending), and you come back with that I have to prove what is in the mind of each and every attendee of the Tea Parties or me, the organizers and everyone else involved are wrong and the focus is somehow something else?

Did I get that right?

By your logic, I can say that the focus of the Obama rallies of 2 years ago were to "Impeach Bush" because liberals brought signs saying so. Is that right? Same logic. Since the mindless liberals had signs saying something other than the intent of an Obama rally, then that is what the rally was really all about.

I get ya. Man you sure got me there.

Here, try this on for size. Here is the wiki-version of the tea party history. Show me ONCE where Ron Paul is mentioned. Just once:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_%22te … 2_protests

So, your claim is that you've personally seen all these people show up at Tea Parties (funny, I don't remember you mentioning, before, having attended said tea parties, only that you saw pictures from a friend at work, odd how  your story evolves) and, based on those people you saw at the tea parties, that, somehow, defines what they are all about.

Let us totally forget what the speakers on the stage say, because, from here on out, a rally is only about what some individuals in an audience think it is about, before they arrive.

Man, Tojo, really, umm... I don't even know what to say to this.

I do think it is funny that the "teabagging" is a total creation of MSNBC to discredit the Tea Parties. I guess I now see how Olbermann gets from Tea Party to "people supporting off-shore tax shelters", based on the Tojo train-of-thought.

So, man, I can't believe Obama held all those rallies, he was all about Jews being the same as Nazi's:



-tojologic-Wow, all people who follow Obama think Nazi's are Jews... man.. Until you can prove to me that the majority of people who like Obama don't think Nazi's equal Jews, then this is the message I get from all Obama rallies, because I saw this picture of one.-/tojologic-

Last edited by ptah13 (2009-04-17 06:49:01)

Decadence wrote:

sofaking wrote:

As you see, we have unbanned you.

I'd just like to point out that Sofie means "We" in the figurative sense and that I was in no way involved in said unbanishment.

Tea-Bagging Fuck-Tard wrote:

Lincoln believed in liberty.

Which is why he suspended that pesky, liberty-impeding, Fifth Amendment.  "History" (And, the 'Merican "Education" system) have been way too kind to that Mother-Fucker.

Oh, and, piss on this fucking thread.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a131/ … ephant.jpg

You are spot-on about Lincoln, by the way.

History has so been rewritten about that guy. From what I'm reading, now, he could have freed all the slaves AND avoided the Civil War, but chose not to.

ptah13 wrote:

...bleh ... bleh ... bleh ...Did you read this thread, moron?

Wow.  That was a big lot of nuttin.  I suppose there are some who blame me for what Tar has become, a bloviating water-sack of angst.   My experiment with this one went awry, it would seem.  Gang: truly sorry.  Maybe he'll calm down.

Tar, let me just give you a hint:  you've missed the entire point and made a complete ass of yourself in the process.  Thanks for listening.  YeeHee!

*sigh*

Ptah, you've turned into Dawinism minus the big schozzola and one vagina.

Horseonovich wrote:

*sigh*

Ptah, you've turned into Dawinism minus the big schozzola and one vagina.

Ahh, I get it now.

The new, housebroken horse has decided to be "mr bandwagon" and go after anyone he thinks "won't get him banned".

so sad

ptah13 wrote:

Horseonovich wrote:

*sigh*

Ptah, you've turned into Dawinism minus the big schozzola and one vagina.

Ahh, I get it now.

The new, housebroken horse has decided to be "mr bandwagon" and go after anyone he thinks "won't get him banned".

so sad

Ban away, cabal!  I hold my arms open to the drenching storm of banishment in much the same way Tim Robbins did when he emerged from the sewer pipe in Shawshank.  (Sorry Tar, but since we're likening ourselves to specific movie moments, thought I'd join in).    (Oh and a technique you borrowed from me, I might add, derivative little cunt.)

Tar, you were a friend, tis true.  But I come back here and the first thing I see is you behaving like a complete ass.  It was like someone painted a target on you for moi.  Banisment shmanishment, I could care less, and your efforts to help me, though appreciated, pale next to the way you are behaving now.  I cannot in good conscience watch quietly while you make a fool of yourself, and then declare that you are proud of it.

Horseonovich wrote:

ptah13 wrote:

Horseonovich wrote:

*sigh*

Ptah, you've turned into Dawinism minus the big schozzola and one vagina.

Ahh, I get it now.

The new, housebroken horse has decided to be "mr bandwagon" and go after anyone he thinks "won't get him banned".

so sad

Ban away, cabal!  I hold my arms open to the drenching storm of banishment in much the same way Tim Robbins did when he emerged from the sewer pipe in Shawshank.  (Sorry Tar, but since we're likening ourselves to specific movie moments, thought I'd join in).    (Oh and a technique you borrowed from me, I might add, derivative little cunt.)

Tar, you were a friend, tis true.  But I come back here and the first thing I see is you behaving like a complete ass.  It was like someone painted a target on you for moi.  Banisment shmanishment, I could care less, and your efforts to help me, though appreciated, pale next to the way you are behaving now.  I cannot in good conscience watch quietly while you make a fool of yourself, and then declare that you are proud of it.

Did you read the thread, Horse? I mean, from the start?

I didn't say word one until the Olbermann video popped up and I simply pointed out that what he was talking about had nothing to do with the Tea Party (which, umm, is what this thread is about).

To that I get all these people piping in telling me I didn't know what I was talking about. All the while, there is this debate going on about flat tax vs this tax vs that tax. All on a thread about the Tea Parties (or, more on point, about the humor at MSNBC's attempts to marginalize the Tea Parties).

So I point out, "umm, the Tea Party folk are protesting government spending". To which Tojo, HKG (and even you) all tell me how full of shit I am.

You following along, old boy?

So, yeah, I jumped up and down when I proved, beyond reproach, that I was right and you all were wrong.

Now you are ranting and raving and claiming I want to be like you (*shudder*) and I'm thinking, what the fuck is he talking about? Why would I want to be a complete social eunuch (well, I guess you'd be a eunuch by any definition) who's entire life revolves around internet acceptance.

And now you claim you oh-so-eagerly await banishment and whatever. Yeah, this coming from the same guy who provided us weeks of amusement by simply hinting there was a "secret chat room" where we all talked about you. Damn, how many times did you email me trying to find "the secret horse chat room".

Talk about sad, I almost feel bad for pointing all this out to you. The big difference between you and I is, I leave this board and I don't give thought one to what anyone is PM'ing about me behind my back. Not one thought. The other day, it was brought to my attention that someone on here was talking about me behind my back and, wow, what did I do? I reprimanded the person who said it for being a snitch.

Did I lose sleep over it? no... Did I email a bunch of people saying, "what did so-and-so say about me"? no

Don't ever compare the two of us, old hoss. I come here to stroke my own ego, laugh at some cool links and occasionally argue with Tojo (who, at least I have respect for) or some other liberal so as to vent any daily frustrations I might have.

You, on the other hand, might very well be the most obsessed message board whipping post I've ever seen.

So, hmm, you calling me a fool is like, well, I guess there is nothing to compare it to. Wait, I got it. It would be like Ron Paul calling Al Gore a failure at presidential bids (you being Ron Paul, of course).

Yeah, I get that this thread started about the joke MSNBC is making about Teabagging. So, I'll tell you for the last time, quit beating yourself.

I mean, damn, if I quit replying to you, who are you going to talk to, here?

Emmeran wrote:

Ok Ptah - how about this for a return to your teabag topic.  The Repulikans are trying to stir the masses because the tax rate is being returned to the rate that was set 15 years ago by George H.W. Bush.   Which is still a lower rate then the mighty republican god Ronald Reagan taxed us at.

Let me put it this way - Obama is taxing us at a lower rate than Reagan did.

Umm, I have no problems with the tax rate and, if you noticed, I didn't go to any Tea Party events, even though I had one 10 minutes from my house and and another, where friends attended 45 minutes away. (shit, they can triangulate my position!)

Honestly, I have no real gripe with Obama on any current tax proposals. Yeah, I can rant about his "not tax" promise and harp on an energy tax being a break of that promise, but truth be told, I'm ok with his taxing plans, SO FAR.

I do, however, agree with the Tea folks on the subject of spending (which, again, is what started the whole Tea Party thing in the first place, people pissed as hell at spending.

Here, read what USA Today had to say about the Tea Party goals:

Positions and goals

According to USA Today, most protesters have the overall goal of pressuring Congress and state governments to "reject government spending as a way out of the recession" and to "build an anti-spending coalition around regular taxpayers". Aside from spending by the Obama administration, the paper reports that the activists also oppose the spending the Bush administration set in place. Support for Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2009 is also an issue raised in the Tea Parties.

Protest organizer and co-creator of DontGo Eric Odom has argued that "This is a protest that has been in government the last few years... Bush himself was guilty of socialist policies." He also said of the Republican Party that "It’s obvious they’re trying to ride on the brand that we created... It’s somewhat insulting." His group has turned down a request from Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele to speak at its Chicago protest. After the denial, the Republican National Committee released a statement saying that "They're just having a little fun."

Notice that people have been pissed about the spending going back to the Bush administration.

Again, you folks want to paint me as some Republican shrill but I didn't like Bush much better than Tojo did, except some of my reasons for loathing him were different.

Also, from Wiki (god I hate quoting Wiki):

he protesters are in opposition to various aspects of government spending, including the Homeowners Affordability and Stability Plan, the Troubled Assets Relief Program, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, and the Omnibus Appropriations Act of 2009.[4][5] The name "Tea Party" is an homage to the Boston Tea Party, and the protests have sought to evoke images, slogans, and themes from the American Revolution.[6]

Again, I have no problem with the current tax situation. It wasn't my intent to fuck up The Great Scotty vs ya'all Tax Debate of April, 2009. I simply couldn't, in good conscious, allow everyone to confuse that with what the Tea Parties were about. MSNBC, doing what they do (misdirect and confuse), would like everyone to think, well, what most people on here were thinking, that the Tea Parties were a bunch of "I don't wanna pay any taxes" kooks. While I'm sure the parties attract their fair share of said kooks, that isn't what they are about.

It reminds me of the black lady interviewed at an Obama rally who said she was excited about Obama being elected because she wouldn't have to pay her mortgage, car payment or insurance anymore!

Does this mean Obama stood for black people not having to pay for anything anymore? No.

(gee, Em, aren't you glad you invoked me again?)