I hate the fucking church.  It has crippled so many lives.  Bastards.

I am a recovering Catholic myself.  I feel fortunate to have served as an alter boy without ever being buggered by a priest.

choad wrote:

The list of recovering alter boys on this site - if we're to believe the unbuggered confessions we've heard - out numbers those lucky heathens who were spared the ordeal. No doubt we're too cruel or ugly. Or both.

My parents are vaguely Christian, yet never really took Me to church.  I thank Them for this.

choad wrote:

No doubt we're too cruel or ugly. Or both.

Most sexual predators pick their victims pretty carefully, both consciously and subconsciously.

If you're too bright, or seem likely to stand up for yourself, etc., then you're too risky a proposition for these types to target (unless, of course, you're an inmate of an orphanage that's run by the Church).

fnord wrote:

Tonight I will light candles in front of my sacred icons of those blessed martyrs of the Anglican faith, the severed heads of Anne Boleyn and Lady Jane Grey and thank them that my ancestors were among those who helped free England from the tyranny of the Roman Catholic Church.  Because of these worthy ladies (to whom I’m distantly related) and other martyrs of the Anglican faith I never faced the prospect of dealing with a pedophile priest.

When you get that distant, then you're related to EVERY NIGGER IN AFRICA.

jesusluvspegging wrote:

fnord wrote:

Tonight I will light candles in front of my sacred icons of those blessed martyrs of the Anglican faith, the severed heads of Anne Boleyn and Lady Jane Grey and thank them that my ancestors were among those who helped free England from the tyranny of the Roman Catholic Church.  Because of these worthy ladies (to whom I’m distantly related) and other martyrs of the Anglican faith I never faced the prospect of dealing with a pedophile priest.

When you get that distant, then you're related to EVERY NIGGER IN AFRICA.

Not at all.  I’m descended from people who were near relatives of these ladies.

fnord wrote:

jesusluvspegging wrote:

When you get that distant, then you're related to EVERY NIGGER IN AFRICA.

Not at all.  I’m descended from people who were near relatives of these ladies.

I've heard these kinds of claims before.  Just like now, they had no documented proof.

fnord wrote:

To give you proof would compromise my Secret Identity!

How convenient.

fnord wrote:

jesusluvspegging wrote:

fnord wrote:

To give you proof would compromise my Secret Identity!

How convenient.

No! No! No!  It’s pronounced “Howww Conveeeeeeeniennt!”

Obviously you heard it how I meant it to be heard.

sofaking wrote:

I wouldn't stick my kid in the parish Boy Scout troop if you paid me.

And it's not even the priests...I just have no faith in people who volunteer to be around kids that aren't their own.

Now, now, Sophie.... let's not toss us all into the basket.  I'm a Scout leader, and I only very rarely fondle little boys.

I recently watched Deliver Us From Evil....  I knew the Catholic church was totally fucked up before then, but I didn't realize it was that bad.  I highly reccomend the movie...   http://www.deliverusfromevilthemovie.co … _flash.php

sofaking wrote:

whosasailorthen wrote:

sofaking wrote:

I wouldn't stick my kid in the parish Boy Scout troop if you paid me.

And it's not even the priests...I just have no faith in people who volunteer to be around kids that aren't their own.

Now, now, Sophie.... let's not toss us all into the basket.  I'm a Scout leader, and I only very rarely fondle little boys.

But you only do it because of your kids. I'm talking about the creepy man-children who help out for no apparent reason. They're the same ones who become Big Brothers. I'm not saying all of them are like that, but it's a red flag.

I dunno... I think a lot of this pervy stuff is just the press focusing on the bad element 'cause it sells news - the reality is that given the amount of guys involved, there's a pretty low percentage of jerks.  For example, I know a married Scoutmaster who only had daughters - no sons - so he does the BSA stuff so he can hang out with the guys and escape his estrogen-laced home once a month.  There's lots of reasons guys do this besides their own kids.  Mind you, there's definitely that small core of wet-nasty pervs in any sort of kids organisation, but frankly Scouting is pretty tough on that now - they push "two deep" leadership (yeah, I know it's an ironic term) and it's enforced within most troops.  This means that no adult can be alone with any kid or kids at any time - there always has to be another adult around, or he has to exit the scene and leave the kids with an older boy until he can go back with another adult.  For that reason we need to have at least 3 leaders on any trip so that one can hit the head if he needs to without compromising the leadership requirements.

Oh.  And I was also a Big Brother to a young man.  He had some serious behavioral issues (bi-polar, depression, cutting, suicide attempts, etc.) and came from a broken home with a dismissive father, but I'm glad to say that he's all grown up now, his meds have his mental state pretty much under control, and he's and attending a fine art school in Boston with a 100% scholarship.  Actually, I'm seeing him and his mum next week for lunch - I'm really proud of him for what he's overcome.

I dunno.  Maybe I'm a perv?

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whosasailorthen wrote:

sofaking wrote:

whosasailorthen wrote:

Now, now, Sophie.... let's not toss us all into the basket.  I'm a Scout leader, and I only very rarely fondle little boys.

But you only do it because of your kids. I'm talking about the creepy man-children who help out for no apparent reason. They're the same ones who become Big Brothers. I'm not saying all of them are like that, but it's a red flag.

I dunno... I think a lot of this pervy stuff is just the press focusing on the bad element 'cause it sells news - the reality is that given the amount of guys involved, there's a pretty low percentage of jerks.  For example, I know a married Scoutmaster who only had daughters - no sons - so he does the BSA stuff so he can hang out with the guys and escape his estrogen-laced home once a month.  There's lots of reasons guys do this besides their own kids.  Mind you, there's definitely that small core of wet-nasty pervs in any sort of kids organisation, but frankly Scouting is pretty tough on that now - they push "two deep" leadership (yeah, I know it's an ironic term) and it's enforced within most troops.  This means that no adult can be alone with any kid or kids at any time - there always has to be another adult around, or he has to exit the scene and leave the kids with an older boy until he can go back with another adult.  For that reason we need to have at least 3 leaders on any trip so that one can hit the head if he needs to without compromising the leadership requirements.

Oh.  And I was also a Big Brother to a young man.  He had some serious behavioral issues (bi-polar, depression, cutting, suicide attempts, etc.) and came from a broken home with a dismissive father, but I'm glad to say that he's all grown up now, his meds have his mental state pretty much under control, and he's and attending a fine art school in Boston with a 100% scholarship.  Actually, I'm seeing him and his mum next week for lunch - I'm really proud of him for what he's overcome.

I dunno.  Maybe I'm a perv?

No, you're different.

You know what I'm trying to say, though.

I'm gonna give you an example.

I used to work for a company called SAIC. They send scientists to different sites to do things like testing the Tonopah Test Site for residual radiation, and Homeland Security, and doing research on the Desert Tortiose and Yucca Mountain shit.

I had a single friend who I'd often have lunch with who was a Wildlife Biologist. My friends and I would call him "Dr. Tweak", because he'd have me deliver an 8-ball of meth every weekend.

Now, he would tell me about being a Big Brother, and how his nature photography hobby helped him in another hobby, which was taking pictures of kids at the pool of his complex with a long range lens. I thought that kinda weird, but was pretty sure he had no bad motives.

One day, I was delivering his weekly goodies, and he was telling me about a new thing he got where you could inject your wang with a medication for impotence. He went to the fridge to get it to show me, and some cold drinks, and a mirror and accessories to honk a fattie. It was taking his tweakin' ass too long, so I opened the Las Vegas Weekly to the horoscope section near the back where all the hooker (male and female) ads are.

He had almost every ad circled.

I quickly shut the mag and acted like nothing happened.

That was the last week I delivered that to him. As far as he knew, I had lost my connect.

He lives in Idaho now, so I hardly ever talk to him, which is just as well. He's a well-known nature photographer, and lives in  the middle of nowhere.

As a single adult male with no kids or any chance of ever having kids, the opportunities I've had to work with kids have been some of the most rewarding/maddening experiences I've ever had. I've worked with runaways, pregnant teens, abused kids, and adolescent sex offenders both professionally and as a volunteer. I've participated in Boy Scout activities at my temple (although in a far more limited way - too many schedule conflicts to commit) and once my work schedule settles into something a little more routine (it's undergoing yet another major overhaul), I'd like to do some sort of work with kids again.

For all the weirdos that are out there, the overwhelming majority of adults who work with children do so because they want to help. Partially because I always wanted to be a father, I've always been interested in working with kids in one way or another. Partially, too, because I put my parents through the ringer when I was a teenager, I wanted to help families enduring the same experiences.

When I was working with adolescent sex offenders (whose personal stories would make your skin crawl) I was once accused of grooming two of the boys in our care. I was devastated that anyone would even think such a thing, but luckily my employers saw what was happening. One of the women with whom I worked was angry I had been given a plum schedule (offered to me so that I wouldn't leave), and began planting rumors about me with other employees. Everyone saw through it, but I had never been so hurt.

Too many people don't care enough about their own kids. Don't smear those of us who do care.

Taint wrote:

As a single adult male with no kids or any chance of ever having kids, the opportunities I've had to work with kids have been some of the most rewarding/maddening experiences I've ever had. I've worked with runaways, pregnant teens, abused kids, and adolescent sex offenders both professionally and as a volunteer. I've participated in Boy Scout activities at my temple (although in a far more limited way - too many schedule conflicts to commit) and once my work schedule settles into something a little more routine (it's undergoing yet another major overhaul), I'd like to do some sort of work with kids again.

For all the weirdos that are out there, the overwhelming majority of adults who work with children do so because they want to help. Partially because I always wanted to be a father, I've always been interested in working with kids in one way or another. Partially, too, because I put my parents through the ringer when I was a teenager, I wanted to help families enduring the same experiences.

When I was working with adolescent sex offenders (whose personal stories would make your skin crawl) I was once accused of grooming two of the boys in our care. I was devastated that anyone would even think such a thing, but luckily my employers saw what was happening. One of the women with whom I worked was angry I had been given a plum schedule (offered to me so that I wouldn't leave), and began planting rumors about me with other employees. Everyone saw through it, but I had never been so hurt.

Too many people don't care enough about their own kids. Don't smear those of us who do care.

I do understand that. Matter of fact, I have been kind of the default surrogate mom figure for many a friend of my older kid. Not because I'm a saintly human being, but because I'm there.

As I had related in my story, I was willing to give my friend Dr. Tweak the benefit of the doubt in the beginning. I never even had proof of anything, other than he was kinda pervy. It just made me uncomfortable, and I still ain't letting my boy join the parish Boy Scout troop.

GooberMcNutly wrote:

I would rather put a kid into Scouting than make them an altar boy.

Why?  I was at a Scout campout involving several troops where one kid seduced another kid in the shower.  The kid who was seduced then treated us all to a psychotic breakdown during which he cried and screamed he was going to burn in hell forever.  He could be heard all over the camp.  He was Catholic, so the priest from his church was summoned to reassure him that he would be OK.  After the talk with the priest, he was smiling and happy.  I wouldn’t be surprised if he and the priest became very close friends after that.

sofaking wrote:

GooberMcNutly wrote:

sofaking wrote:

I just have no faith in people who volunteer to be around kids that aren't their own.

I would rather put a kid into Scouting than make them an altar boy.

We don't have altar boys at this church.

My boy was in church choir until last year, but I personally know the music director, and was present at all the practices.

I know I'm paranoid, but I don't wanna go to prison for killing some dipshit who hurt my kid.

I understand that.  We never had baby-sitters, or daycare.  We took the financial hit so our spawn would always have a parent around.  I volunteered alot at his grade and middle school, partially for him, but to give the kids art ed that had been cut.  Always more money for prisons though!  (at least back then)

D

Dirckman wrote:

I fuckin' hate children cause they make that high pitched shrieking noise, they smell funny, and they poop.....

The worst is the 'tween' girls.  They make that noise, and some harmonics come into play and it sounds like a siren.  It's so horrible, and then you've got to clean up all the blood.

yeah, slip up one day and you end up a Dad.  That all changes, if you are somewhat reasonable.

sofaking wrote:

Wait 'til they hand you your own shrieking, pooping bundle. You'll fall instantly in love.

People keep telling me this, and I keep not believing them.  When someone hands me my own shrieking, pooping snatch-ruiner, I'm gonna be thinking only of the lawsuit I'm gonna hit Atlanta Vasectomy Clinic with.

this whole situation is awful hypothetical anyway

I swore a public oath 30 years ago I'd turn homicidal if I smelled another rancid diaper pail while enduring another birthing story. For some reason, everyone believed me.

sofaking wrote:

Dirckman wrote:

I fuckin' hate children cause they make that high pitched shrieking noise, they smell funny, and they poop.....

Wait 'til they hand you your own shrieking, pooping bundle. You'll fall instantly in love.

It's a nasty trap.

Damn things, their impenetrable defense is an armored shell of cuteness.

jesusluvspegging wrote:

GooberMcNutly wrote:

Damn things, their impenetrable defense is an armored shell of cuteness.

O RLY?

There were some cute ones!

And besides, my baby was really cute.

icangetyouatoe wrote:

And besides, my baby was really cute.

I thought mine were too, but I'm almost certainly biased.

Mr. Sofie loves to point out ugly babies. I think all babies are cute. Even ones that look like Winston Churchill.